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Anatomically modern humans have existed for as long as 400,000 years. In the archaeological record, there are endless examples of men's violence toward other men, of the desires of society elites to control and dominate the masses.
We may have figured out how to make and use vastly more complicated tools, but we are still subject to the same urges, behavioral tendencies and function through same the brain processes as the cavemen of tens of thousands of years ago. This is a fundamental understanding of the human condition that is backed with libraries full of scientific evidence and is no longer disputed in academia... whether you like it our not, we are still just apes.
The Founding Fathers realized this fundamental truth 250 years ago: There would always be a minority that would prey on the majority of their fellow humans because that has ALWAYS been the case throughout human history. They recognized that man had a right to defend him (and her)self against those of our kind who would do us harm. They even wrote a unprecedented limit on their own creation's power over it's people... the right to bear arms to make resistance against human predators feasible.
Yeah, A LOT has changed since the late 18th Century but one thing that hasn't is human physiology and behavioral tendencies. Humans have not stopped preying on, nor seeking to control and dominate others for selfish reasons.
Being willing to give up a piece of your personal power to save the lives of others is a noble gesture, but does it change 400,000 years of human physiology and behavior? Even IF we could somehow blink away a 600 year old technology (firearms), would that somehow reverse hundreds of thousands of years of human evolutionary psychology? Do we kill each other because we have guns or do we kill each other because we are human?
Have you ever considered the possibility that when it comes down to it, you are merely giving up your club to the tribe across the river when you don't have to and counting on their word + good graces to keep you and your's safe and successful?
Why do you willingly give someone else an advantage over you when you KNOW human nature and you KNOW taking a submissive stance will not stop violence?
Even if you don't like guns and don't have an apparent need for them, don't let yourself be talked out of that rare and unprecedented trump card that you hold. Worse, don't just throw it away without a thought for future generations who might actually need it someday... NOBODY knows the future but unless humanity become silicone based AI, human nature will NOT be different for them either.
Why do you willingly give someone else an advantage over you when you KNOW human nature and you KNOW taking a submissive stance will not stop violence?
Me personally?
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Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary:
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Romans 12:17-21
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Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.
Hebrew 12:14
As for why deny human nature:
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Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Matthew 16:24-25
My solution, what works for me is the above. I also carry pepper spray. Your mileage may vary of course, what works for some doesn't work for others. If you feel more confident about your safety with a gun, by all means, carry. But that doesn't work for me.
Anatomically modern humans have existed for as long as 400,000 years. In the archaeological record, there are endless examples of men's violence toward other men, of the desires of society elites to control and dominate the masses.
We may have figured out how to make and use vastly more complicated tools, but we are still subject to the same urges, behavioral tendencies and function through same the brain processes as the cavemen of tens of thousands of years ago. This is a fundamental understanding of the human condition that is backed with libraries full of scientific evidence and is no longer disputed in academia... whether you like it our not, we are still just apes.
The Founding Fathers realized this fundamental truth 250 years ago: There would always be a minority that would prey on the majority of their fellow humans because that has ALWAYS been the case throughout human history. They recognized that man had a right to defend him (and her)self against those of our kind who would do us harm. They even wrote a unprecedented limit on their own creation's power over it's people... the right to bear arms to make resistance against human predators feasible.
Yeah, A LOT has changed since the late 18th Century but one thing that hasn't is human physiology and behavioral tendencies. Humans have not stopped preying on, nor seeking to control and dominate others for selfish reasons.
Being willing to give up a piece of your personal power to save the lives of others is a noble gesture, but does it change 400,000 years of human physiology and behavior? Even IF we could somehow blink away a 600 year old technology (firearms), would that somehow reverse hundreds of thousands of years of human evolutionary psychology? Do we kill each other because we have guns or do we kill each other because we are human?
Have you ever considered the possibility that when it comes down to it, you are merely giving up your club to the tribe across the river when you don't have to and counting on their word + good graces to keep you and your's safe and successful?
Why do you willingly give someone else an advantage over you when you KNOW human nature and you KNOW taking a submissive stance will not stop violence?
Even if you don't like guns and don't have an apparent need for them, don't let yourself be talked out of that rare and unprecedented trump card that you hold. Worse, don't just throw it away without a thought for future generations who might actually need it someday... NOBODY knows the future but unless humanity become silicone based AI, human nature will NOT be different for them either.
I think guns personally ruined combat forever. Where before with your bare hands or just a knife/sword, you could only kill one person at a time and had to do it up close and look them in the eye when you did it.
Now, with a gun, just one person can indiscriminately kill several people at once without having to get anywhere near them, which is also not fair to the victims, as at least with hand to hand/sword to sword combat, both combatants had equal chances of success or death.
I personally want confiscation of all weapons with meltdowns, and rather than banning ammunition, just make a single bullet cost $50,000.
Anatomically modern humans have existed for as long as 400,000 years. In the archaeological record, there are endless examples of men's violence toward other men, of the desires of society elites to control and dominate the masses.
We may have figured out how to make and use vastly more complicated tools, but we are still subject to the same urges, behavioral tendencies and function through same the brain processes as the cavemen of tens of thousands of years ago. This is a fundamental understanding of the human condition that is backed with libraries full of scientific evidence and is no longer disputed in academia... whether you like it our not, we are still just apes.
The Founding Fathers realized this fundamental truth 250 years ago: There would always be a minority that would prey on the majority of their fellow humans because that has ALWAYS been the case throughout human history. They recognized that man had a right to defend him (and her)self against those of our kind who would do us harm. They even wrote a unprecedented limit on their own creation's power over it's people... the right to bear arms to make resistance against human predators feasible.
Yeah, A LOT has changed since the late 18th Century but one thing that hasn't is human physiology and behavioral tendencies. Humans have not stopped preying on, nor seeking to control and dominate others for selfish reasons.
Being willing to give up a piece of your personal power to save the lives of others is a noble gesture, but does it change 400,000 years of human physiology and behavior? Even IF we could somehow blink away a 600 year old technology (firearms), would that somehow reverse hundreds of thousands of years of human evolutionary psychology? Do we kill each other because we have guns or do we kill each other because we are human?
Have you ever considered the possibility that when it comes down to it, you are merely giving up your club to the tribe across the river when you don't have to and counting on their word + good graces to keep you and your's safe and successful?
Why do you willingly give someone else an advantage over you when you KNOW human nature and you KNOW taking a submissive stance will not stop violence?
Even if you don't like guns and don't have an apparent need for them, don't let yourself be talked out of that rare and unprecedented trump card that you hold. Worse, don't just throw it away without a thought for future generations who might actually need it someday... NOBODY knows the future but unless humanity become silicone based AI, human nature will NOT be different for them either.
I choose not to carry a gun, and not to live in fear. The day I need a hog leg hung on my hip to go to the grocery store for milk and eggs will be the day I find a new country without a lot of wackos running around with guns trying to look macho.
Liberals don't have much in the way of common sense. They will give up personal freedoms and income for a utopian society that truly doesn't exist. Their socialistic ideas, even if brought to fruition, are almost always temporary and end disasterously. Just like Hitler regime, The People's Temple, and other socialist cult tragedies, it doesn't freaking work.
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Liberals don't have much in the way of common sense. They will give up personal freedoms and income for a utopian society that truly doesn't exist. Their socialistic ideas, even if brought to fruition, are almost always temporary and end disasterously. Just like Hitler regime, The People's Temple, and other socialist cult tragedies, it doesn't freaking work.
Really, socialized medicine seems to be working out just fine. And don't play the wait times/death panels scare mongering game on me, I wasn't born yesterday (plus I personally know Canadians)
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Holy cow.
I suppose this would apply to law enforcement personnel too?
It's ammunition that's the bigger problem, rather than the guns themselves. If you make it prohibitively expensive to buy ammunition, then the gun is nothing more than a club
I choose not to carry a gun, and not to live in fear. The day I need a hog leg hung on my hip to go to the grocery store for milk and eggs will be the day I find a new country without a lot of wackos running around with guns trying to look macho.
To me, that logic is completely backwards.
You NEED that "hog leg" NOW, because of wackos.
But, if concealed or even open carry were legal everywhere, you wouldn't NEED it at all. It would be completely optional, because in public there would be always be enough people around you (the ones you are saying are the wackos) so that even if a real wacko did decide to start firing, his rampage wouldn't get very far.
That makes much more sense to me than your logic.
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)self against those of our kind who would do us harm. They even wrote a unprecedented limit on their own creation's power over it's people... the right to bear arms to make resistance against human predators feasible.
