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If I could go back in time to the Puritans, I'd tell them what "the Progressives" would do to our society in the 20th and 21st centuries. Then we'd be waiting for the Progressive movement to start....with some rope and some guns to nip it in the bud.
They already are/have...
The idea that the female body is to be worshiped is very much of their making.
The metoo movement has nothing to do with being a prude or with old-fashioned Protestant values. It's really the opposite of those values.
Except that it's not. The same protestant values are in place. They are just being expressed in times appropriate for this modern era.
For example, is the metoo movement occurring in non protestant cultures right now? I only see the US/UK/Australia/Canada getting in on it so far. (i.e. Anglo Saxon Protestant cultures)
OP: while I share your view of puritanical attitudes in America, I don’t share your view that fighting sexual harassment is somehow prudish. It’s all about informed consent.
You're going to have to start thinking out of the box, out of the right vs. left framework that society says you have to follow. At the core, we are all prison to the values that the Puritans brought.
One thing you said was correct however, very low women had bodily freedom. They were free to be promiscuous and prostitutes. Very high class women were severely restricted by the social norms of the time. Middle class women were restricted by the higher class. Only the lower class women were truly free.
Back in the day, the Victorians were quite worried about the excessive celebrations that the Irish/Italians/non-Anglo Saxons would have on their various holidays. At the time there were people partying in the streets for celebrations such as St. Patrick's Day and the private security forces that the wealthy had were not "enough" to defend the various residences from "harm". So, the wealthy elite decided to invent the modern day police system.
Once the modern day police system was invented, it could be used to instigate mass arrests during holidays such as those and also to keep other immigrants at bay. In the south the police state was used for mass incarceration of blacks.
All of this was to keep a "pure" society where sexuality was kept at bay. They viewed the new immigrants as being "savages". It's the same reason why people are anti-immigration today.
If you don't believe me, ask people what they believe the "ideal society" would be in regards to social norms. Their response would be shocking.
Ehm - are you aware you're rambling a bit?
You still haven't presented any causal link between puritanism and the #metoo movement. FFS, you seem to agree that women in Victorian ages had no body autonomy, and yet the #metoo movement is 100% about that.
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Face the facts, most of you are being played like a fiddle by society.
We're at "If you were as smart as me, you'd see how right I am" already?
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The Puritans came over to establish a religiously pure colony in America where sexuality was forbidden. The goal of sex was procreation and nothing else.
That's a common belief that happens to be totally false.
[Sexual intercourse] was discussed so openly that the writings of the Puritans required heavy editing before they were thought fit to print even in the mid-twentieth century.
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The Puritans never encouraged sexual asceticism. They did not value chastity in the Roman Catholic sense as highly as other Christians did.
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Puritans also commonly believed that an intimate sexual bond between husbands and wives was an important and even a necessary part of marriage.
By the way, the Puritans can't be "the roots" of anything since they did not just spring up out of nothing. They had their own roots.
I agree that America is overly puritanical, however, your post misses the mark big-time.
I don't think so. It's returning America to "keep your hands to yourself and don't look at people lest it causes you to not keep your hands to yourself."
You probably don't want me to get into that though do you?
I think we're good, thanks.
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