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Old 03-02-2018, 11:56 AM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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So if Trump is mad about countries subsidizing steel and aluminum does that mean we can stop subsidizing American agriculture?
since most of the ag subsidies are from gore and his stupid using corn for bio-fuel...sure why not



let's end welfare too
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Old 03-02-2018, 11:58 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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If tariffs are a Constitutional mandate, then Republicans hate it more than anyone. Of course most of us know there is no such mandate, the constitution only says the Congress has the power to collect them. Trump seems to think HE has the power.
I'm sorry, but I don't think you understand the Constitution. The income tax was declared (initially) to be unconstitutional, and our Founders believed such a direct tax was evil.
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Old 03-02-2018, 11:58 AM
 
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I know. Its pretty desperate, but it is common among the mainstream republicans to accept any responsibility for anything. They will ALWAYS blame someone else for their mistakes.
They shouldn't accept responsibility for Doomsaying Democrats. But they are free to laugh at them.
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Old 03-02-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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My son lives in Pittsburgh. The economy there has been growing and booming for years. The steel and related plants are all torn down...

I have lived through the years that Big Steel died. It started in the 70's with multiple bankruptcies and some foreign buy-outs. Under Reagan, offshoring and the complete decline of the Rust Belt was completed. M&As and other such actions cut the work force in steel down to virtually nothing...

Some new plants have been opened - but new steel plants have hardly any employees.

The bottom line, as one expert put it, is that you might save one job and lose 30-40. That is, there are vastly more people involved in fabricating steel or the entire consumer, industrial or other sectors using or selling steel and aluminum.

There have been small tariffs for 100's of years on various stuff. I paid 4.2% on the boilers I used to import from Denmark. However, I don't think such tariffs were done for the reason(s) that these are - that is, they were not punitive. Rather they were just part and parcel of the tax (money raising) system that finances our country (customs, etc.).
EVERYTHING that is imported...even from American companies that make their widgets overseas (GE for example).... should be paying an import tariff based on the wage inequality

do you think its fair that GE can pay its Mexican workers 20/week, and moved down there to save from paying americans 20/hr???...tariffs level the playing field
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Old 03-02-2018, 12:04 PM
 
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EVERYTHING that is imported...even from American companies that make their widgets overseas (GE for example).... should be paying an import tariff based on the wage inequality

do you think its fair that GE can pay its Mexican workers 20/week, and moved down there to save from paying americans 20/hr???...tariffs level the playing field

Pure idiocy. Recipe for stagnation, mass inflation and recession.
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Old 03-02-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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Pure idiocy. Recipe for stagnation, mass inflation and recession.
so then you want American wages to go down, like they did under globalist Clinton/bush/obama


you can NOT have 'freetrade' without the playing filed being even, especially in the are of wages...tariffs are NEEDED to level the playing field

thanks for playing




https://www.uschamber.com/issue-brie...ng-field-trade




even far left thinkprogress thinks tariffs level the playing field
https://thinkprogress.org/cap-import...d-43e275ee92e/

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Old 03-02-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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since most of the ag subsidies are from gore and his stupid using corn for bio-fuel...sure why not



let's end welfare too
Nice try buy subsidies go back to the 1930's and red states tend to receive more.

https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?...al&page=states
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Old 03-02-2018, 12:14 PM
 
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so then you want American wages to go down, like they did under globalist Clinton/bush/obama


you can NOT have 'freetrade' without the playing filed being even, especially in the are of wages...tariffs are NEEDED to level the playing field

thanks for playing
My wages have skyrocketed in those years. I don't work in outdated industry though. People need to move on. Manufacturing is not labor intensive anymore. Overpaying for something needlessly is not smart.
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Old 03-02-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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Nice try buy subsidies go back to the 1930's and red states tend to receive more.

https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?...al&page=states
Farm subsidies are as old as america almost.
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Old 03-02-2018, 12:18 PM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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My wages have skyrocketed in those years. I don't work in outdated industry though. People need to move on. Manufacturing is not labor intensive anymore. Overpaying for something needlessly is not smart.
so you are against raising the minimum wage.... see you are fiscally conservative
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