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Old 03-01-2018, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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Because you need an AK47, AR15, or something similar to be free, right?

Is this because the local robbers are immune to revolver rounds and the deer are immune to buckshot? Or, is it - as is so often the case - the supposed need for weapons of war to "kill duh gubermint?"

Nobody is talking about getting rid of all or even most guns, but not a single person on the far-right has presented a half-way convincing argument as to why they "need" assault weapons vs. other guns, why there should be easy ways around background checks before purchase, why people on the no-fly list can still buy guns, and so on.

Every single defense they present is either hyperbola about the guns they "need to be free," reduction to the absurd about gun laws - "any gun law = taking all our guns away," or just outright lies regarding how "a nation needs lots of guns to be safe," such as ignoring the fact that nearly every other developed nation on the planet has better gun laws, fewer high-end guns, and far less gun crime and crime in general.

This isn't about "freedom," it's about common sense, and it is sad just how many people value their nutty arsenals and extremist views ("kill duh gubermint!") more than the lives of others.
Please, show me a copy of the "Bill of Needs".

Do we NEED the internet to communicate? It didn't exist when the BOR was passed. Telephone? Radio broadcasters? Television?
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Old 03-01-2018, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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You clearly have no idea what the problem is, or what a 'weapon of war' is. Hint, the AR15 has never been used in war.

You probably think there's a vast difference between this and an AR15.


This is a weapon of war:
A mini-14 is in no way essentially different from an AR-15 for our purposes here. I don't know what the rates of fire are for the two, but my guess is that both would be in the 90-120 round per minute range. Kabar knives are OK, but I would want a Randall #1 if I was in battle. Much better balanced for fighting. I was a gunsmith for four years. Where did you get your firearms training?


Also - for the 87th time - I did not create the term "weapons of war". That is the language of the Fourth Circuit Court which ruled that AR-15s and equivalent are not protected by 2A. Take it up with them.

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Old 03-01-2018, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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How? By the same " logic" that all refugees and immigrants are homicidal maniacs out to commit as much crime as possible. Or how all non Trump kneepadders hate America and want to encourage white genocide and don't want to work.
Same warped logic
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Old 03-01-2018, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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So we should ban anything designed or based on items designed for military use? That's every firearm and several other weapons.
"Weapons of War" are not covered by 2A. Now you know so you don't have to ask the next time you see the phrase. Tell all your buddies, too, who constantly try to deflect because they either don't understand the context or don't want to have to deal with the facts.

Thanks for your help. I have no intentions of addressing this stupid question again. We can always go back to "assault rifles", if you prefer, and we'll all still know what we're talking about, won't we...?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-rules-n724106
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Old 03-01-2018, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Micronesia
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"Weapons of War" are not covered by 2A. Now you know so you don't have to ask the next time you see the phrase. Tell all your buddies, too, who constantly try to deflect because they either don't understand the context or don't want to have to deal with the facts.

Thanks for your help. I have no intentions of addressing this stupid question again. We can always go back to "assault rifles", if you prefer, and we'll all still know what we're talking about, won't we...?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-rules-n724106
You are certainly full of yourself.
"Assault rifle" has an established definition, but no I would not be certain that you would use it correctly.
The majority of firearm design stems from "weapons of war" and the term has nothing to do with federal law or reality.
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Old 03-01-2018, 08:17 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Rambler123 View Post
Because you need an AK47, AR15, or something similar to be free, right?

Is this because the local robbers are immune to revolver rounds and the deer are immune to buckshot? Or, is it - as is so often the case - the supposed need for weapons of war to "kill duh gubermint?"

Nobody is talking about getting rid of all or even most guns, but not a single person on the far-right has presented a half-way convincing argument as to why they "need" assault weapons vs. other guns, why there should be easy ways around background checks before purchase, why people on the no-fly list can still buy guns, and so on.

Every single defense they present is either hyperbola about the guns they "need to be free," reduction to the absurd about gun laws - "any gun law = taking all our guns away," or just outright lies regarding how "a nation needs lots of guns to be safe," such as ignoring the fact that nearly every other developed nation on the planet has better gun laws, fewer high-end guns, and far less gun crime and crime in general.

This isn't about "freedom," it's about common sense, and it is sad just how many people value their nutty arsenals and extremist views ("kill duh gubermint!") more than the lives of others.
I don't see the need for you to drink alcohol. Ban!!!
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Old 03-01-2018, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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You are certainly full of yourself.
"Assault rifle" has an established definition, but no I would not be certain that you would use it correctly.
The majority of firearm design stems from "weapons of war" and the term has nothing to do with federal law or reality.
"Assault rifle" has been used extensively since Ronald Reagan (who used the term himself) to describe AR-15s, Kalashnikovs, and their equivalents. It has been used legally. While you may want to split hairs over the "full" settings on the ones the military uses to avoid dealing with a post, colloquial usage remains the same, and we all know what we are talking about here when the term is used, don't we? Read the article. It won't hurt, I promise.
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Old 03-01-2018, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Micronesia
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"Assault rifle" has been used extensively since Ronald Reagan (who used the term himself) to describe AR-15s, Kalashnikovs, and their equivalents. It has been used legally. While you may want to split hairs over the "full" settings on the ones the military uses to avoid dealing with a post, colloquial usage remains the same, and we all know what we are talking about here when the term is used, don't we? Read the article. It won't hurt, I promise.


In the words of so many instructors that came before you or I, " words mean things".
Just as I said. No. I don't have faith that you would use the term correctly.

Also, I've read your article, andas I've already said, it doesn't apply to federal law or any other states.
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Old 03-01-2018, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Texas
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What would have happened to the Japanese if they utilized their Right to the 2nd Amendment when they were being rounded up for internment?

How many of their fellow Americans would have stood up to the government with them?

How many of their fellow Americans would have stood with the government against them?
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Old 03-01-2018, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If that rifle is not magazine fed then yes big difference.
It is.

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