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Old 03-01-2018, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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The NRA, the President, The Second Amendment, and millions of law abiding gun owning citizens are under attack by the Left and their anti gun crusaders because one deranged idiot choose to murder 17 people.


I just saw a post on facebook where a uber Liberal "friend" posted a video from "Occupy Democrats" featuring the CEO of Dicks sporting goods and applauding their move to stop selling assault rifles.
He also posted another video of how great Australia is doing after they confiscated every gun from the hands of law abiding citizens.

Is this what Dems really want for America? Do they really want to remove the Second amendment from the Constitution and turn good citizens into felons if they do not comply to turn in their guns?

It seems ridiculous to think that this could happen in America but if not for Trump it would be happening right now. Don't these people understand that they are giving up a right to protect themselves? Don't they know that America was created by men with freedom in their hearts and a gun in their hand?

I really think that the attempts by the Left to demonize the NRA is crazy when all they try to do is hold onto tradition. There is not one NRA member or legal gun owner that condones the murder of innocent people.

If one deranged murderer has the ability to destroy something that is so important to millions of people why don't we first turn our attentions to the opiod crisis? How about when a airliner goes down killing hundreds of men, women and children? It is tragic, we grieve and yet we get on with our day and we willingly board the next flight on the same airliner. Why would we do that?

There are so many examples where terrible things have happened when a product is in the hands of the wrong sick person.

Why didn't Walmart stop selling pressure cookers when 2 were used by terrorists to kill and injure hundreds at the Boston Marathon a few years ago?

Something has to be done I agree but banning what is legal and held responsibly by millions of citizens doesn't make sense.
What was it that caused that loser in Florida to kill? We need to be more focused on that, his mental illness then the device he used to kill.

It just doesn't make sense that so many are wiling to give up their freedom for a false sense of security. We all know deep down that evil will find a way to kill and there is really nothing we can do to stop it but find the root cause and work on that.
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Old 03-01-2018, 05:45 PM
 
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How can millions of gun owners be the problem because of one killer?

It's not just one killer.
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Old 03-01-2018, 05:49 PM
 
Location: USA
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Because you need an AK47, AR15, or something similar to be free, right?

Is this because the local robbers are immune to revolver rounds and the deer are immune to buckshot? Or, is it - as is so often the case - the supposed need for weapons of war to "kill duh gubermint?"

Nobody is talking about getting rid of all or even most guns, but not a single person on the far-right has presented a half-way convincing argument as to why they "need" assault weapons vs. other guns, why there should be easy ways around background checks before purchase, why people on the no-fly list can still buy guns, and so on.

Every single defense they present is either hyperbola about the guns they "need to be free," reduction to the absurd about gun laws - "any gun law = taking all our guns away," or just outright lies regarding how "a nation needs lots of guns to be safe," such as ignoring the fact that nearly every other developed nation on the planet has better gun laws, fewer high-end guns, and far less gun crime and crime in general.

This isn't about "freedom," it's about common sense, and it is sad just how many people value their nutty arsenals and extremist views ("kill duh gubermint!") more than the lives of others.
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Old 03-01-2018, 05:54 PM
 
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Because you need an AK47, AR15, or something similar to be free, right?

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You need those to defend yourself from a corrupt government that one day may collapse . I know I wouldn't want to be without a gun, if the system collapsed.
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Old 03-01-2018, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Predators hate it when their prey shoots back at them.
'nuff said.
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Old 03-01-2018, 05:57 PM
 
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You need those to defend yourself from a corrupt government that one day may collapse . I know I wouldn't want to be without a gun, if the system collapsed.
It's not really a matter of if but when. One thing that every civilization in history has in common is that they eventually fail. May not be in our lifetime, but anyone who wants to be ready for that scenario has every right to.
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Old 03-01-2018, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Because you need an AK47, AR15, or something similar to be free, right?
Our Founders thought so - - -
“Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army,... and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; ... the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger.
Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation,... forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms...”
- - - James Madison, Federalist Paper #46.
The Avalon Project : Federalist No 46


In Federalist Paper #46, 1788, James Madison argued that Americans should not fear the “federal” government to be established under the new compact constitution. He argued that since the American people are armed, unlike other nations whose governments fear an armed populace, no federal army led by an ambitious leader could defeat the States and their stalwart militiamen, who would outnumber and outgun any standing army.

OOOPS.
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Old 03-01-2018, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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How can millions of gun owners be the problem because of one killer?
Millions of gun owners are not the problem. Keep your guns and hunker down for the pending invasion or government breakdown or zombie apocalypse. (Good luck from the nuclear attacks though from Russia or North Korea though.)

We want to keep the guns out of the hands of the "one killer" though. Or people like him.
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Old 03-01-2018, 06:03 PM
 
Location: USA
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Nobody is arguing the "advantages of being armed," which is all that quote says. I'm not in favor of taking all guns, or even most guns, and most people are perfectly capable of having a gun. But nobody has yet presented a convincing argument as to why citizens need to own weapons of war. And, quite frankly, if the only reason you can come up with is to "kill duh gubermint," that's not only a terrible reason but an impossibility anyway.

It amazes me how the far-right gun-lovers wave their flags around, but when pressed on WHY they need absurd firepower, destroying the nation they supposedly love is always at the top of that list. I think they have no understanding of how badly most revolutions end for the people and how the American Revolution was an extreme exception to the rule. Any backward, theocratic government installed by the "kill duh gubermint!" types would be on par with the worst ones we see in the Middle East.

The right to bear arms does NOT translate into "the right to bear ANY arms you want, regardless of your past, mental state, criminal background, etc." I'm very tired of the right pretending that is the case.
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Old 03-01-2018, 06:07 PM
 
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Millions of gun owners are not the problem. Keep your guns and hunker down for the pending invasion or government breakdown or zombie apocalypse. (Good luck from the nuclear attacks though from Russia or North Korea though.)

We want to keep the guns out of the hands of the "one killer" though. Or people like him.
the problem comes though since the gun grabbers are poor marksmen. they say they want to aim at the criminals and the mentally ill, but they end up hitting the law abiding gun owners instead.
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