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Yes the constitution does support my views. Your views are extra constitutional, like most liberals you see the constitution as a living document which can be interpreted by judges based on the current political winds. I take my rights seriously and I will stand up and defend them from the likes of you.
I am not crying victim, I am declaring that I refuse to be your victim.
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Ah the 14th amendment, the only amendment in the constitution a liberal knows. I am so sick of liberals using this or should I say abusing it. No where does it say gays have the right to marry or women have the right to an abortion. The only major modern rulings where this applies would be ending discrimination against blacks....you know the actual reason it was written. Sexual behavior, marriage law (other than race issues) abortion etc are all STATE ISSUES and the federal government has no right interfering in the will of the people of the states. Liberals have twisted the equal protection clause to support almost anything they need it to support. Should I have the right to marry my pickup truck? An extra wife or two? How are polygamists not being discriminated against if gays were? Obviously the 14th amendment was not written for this purpose.
Just because the Supreme Court ruled on this does not mean they were right. These rulings are always split down liberal/conservative divides, how impartial can the court be? The states have every right to ignore unconstitutional rulings. I look forward to the day we stand forcefully against the leftists, maybe secession is best for the country. Time for a national divorce.......irreconcilable differences
When you resort to strawman arguments, you have lost the debate
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Yes the constitution does support my views. Your views are extra constitutional, like most liberals you see the constitution as a living document which can be interpreted by judges based on the current political winds. I take my rights seriously and I will stand up and defend them from the likes of you.
I am not crying victim, I am declaring that I refuse to be your victim.
How does a gay couple getting married or some woman getting an abortion affect you that you care so much? I'm curious, odds are you don't even personally know any of said individuals, so it shouldn't affect you
True. The general consensus of the studies that I have read is that while individuals may grow more conservative as they grow older, the vast majority of people are shaped by the politics when they reach adulthood and retain that identity for life.
There's also different concepts of conservative. Not liking some sort of new music could be considered "conservative" - "music these days is all crud" - but the mindset that allowed Trump to win is a specific brand of tribalism (hating people who are different), gross misapplication of evangelical religious beliefs, and being tricked by a professional con artist.
Points 1 and 2 on that list - the extreme tribalism and using religion to justify assorted bad behavior and hatred of people who are different - are not finding much support among the young. Point 3 on the list - Trump's amazing skills as a con artist who's never held accountable for anything - is unique to this election. Any other crook like him would have lost, and almost candidate less crooked and with more charisma than Hillary could have beaten him. It took a very unique set of circumstances to allow Trump to win, and he STILL lost the popular vote... and his core supporters are passing on and not being replaced.
Oh and we all know how these studies work? geeze I am surprised anyone takes them really seriously. Oh and let's not forget Bill Frey from Brookings, Brookings is so middle of the road? Sure it is!!!!
Data is data. It’s neither liberal nor conservative.
If you can find a conservative analysis on generational change and political tendencies that’s based on hard data, I’d be interested is seeing it.
But there is no "demographic change" in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Or at least not much of one.
Here’s an article by Ron Brownstein from last May that looks at the demographics of the industrial medwest. The non-college white vote is decreasing universally, but it still represented 50% of all votes cast in Michigan, 51% in Pennsylvania, 54% in Ohio, nearly 57% in Wisconsin and nearly 60% in Iowa.
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Even so, blue-collar whites’ continued decline in the electorate, including in the states where they are most critical, reaffirms the concerns of Trump’s GOP critics that he is defining the party in a manner that wins over those voters at too high a price: the alienation of white-collar whites and minorities, two groups that are growing in number. “Nothing has repealed the long-term demographic trends in the electorate,” Ayres said.”What Trump did was lock us more completely into a declining portion of the electorate at the cost of an increasing portion of the electorate.”
As always, it’s going to be interesting in 2018 and 2020 to see how the different demographic groups alter their levels of support over time and more importantly, who shows up and how it breaks down by state and in the Electoral College.
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How does a gay couple getting married or some woman getting an abortion affect you that you care so much? I'm curious, odds are you don't even personally know any of said individuals, so it shouldn't affect you
Obviously I do not support gay marriage, however that is not he point I am making. My major beef is with how gay marriage was forced down our throats against our will. In most red states a vote was held where a majority of the people voted to outlaw gay marriage. That was the will of the people and the federal courts legislated gay marriage from the bench, this violates the 10th amendment. Our freedoms are precious and must be protected. Courts should not be making law, end of story.
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Obviously I do not support gay marriage, however that is not he point I am making. My major beef is with how gay marriage was forced down our throats against our will. In most red states a vote was held where a majority of the people voted to outlaw gay marriage. That was the will of the people and the federal courts legislated gay marriage from the bench, this violates the 10th amendment. Our freedoms are precious and must be protected. Courts should not be making law, end of story.
I want you to read the bolded as many times as it takes until you see the irony in it......
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