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Old 03-06-2018, 06:19 AM
 
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Are Europeans and Americans now supposed to bail them out when they don't prove so great at farming?

Of Course! Because colonialism or something!
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Old 03-06-2018, 06:26 AM
 
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You're not supposed to feel sorry. You're supposed to be intelligent enough to be able to distinguish between colonization and land-grabs and redistribution. South Africa was colonized 100s of years ago. Hyper-inflated South African dollars to donuts not one person who will receive a Boer farm will have any legitimate claim to that land, which was not farm land prior to colonization.




BTW: we don't do colonization anymore in this world. Nor do we do land grabs. In case you haven't noticed that sort of thing went out of favor last century. Only retributive racists like yourself who think history started in 1492 harbor such absurd worldviews.
No, you’re wrong on that. We still do colonialism. You can look for examples of Puerto Rico, French Guiana, and other overseas territories to see what it looks like.

We still do colonialism, it’s just not called colonialism.
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Old 03-06-2018, 06:29 AM
 
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No, you’re wrong on that. We still do colonialism. You can look for examples of Puerto Rico, French Guiana, and other overseas territories to see what it looks like.

We still do colonialism, it’s just not called colonialism.

LOL, we are literally begging the Puerto Ricans to either become their own damned country or just become a state already.

I'm not crying for Puerto Rico. They are big boys and girls and hold their own destiny in their hands.
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Old 03-06-2018, 07:04 AM
 
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You're not supposed to feel sorry. You're supposed to be intelligent enough to be able to distinguish between colonization and land-grabs and redistribution. South Africa was colonized 100s of years ago. Hyper-inflated South African dollars to donuts not one person who will receive a Boer farm will have any legitimate claim to that land, which was not farm land prior to colonization.




BTW: we don't do colonization anymore in this world. Nor do we do land grabs. In case you haven't noticed that sort of thing went out of favor last century. Only retributive racists like yourself who think history started in 1492 harbor such absurd worldviews.
I thought the Boers settled lands that were mostly uninhabited. Land with no people to claim it. Or practically none. Or people who lived as vagabonds, here one day and gone the next like the Plains Indians. People who were just traveling through.

Was the land improved or marked in any way? Were the any records of ownership, titles, surveys, records, boundaries? Or was it just some guy saying the land is his?

Germans encountered the same thing in German Southwest Africa: an uninhabited desert. A wasteland. They cultivated it, bringing guano from sea cliffs for fertilizer, building irrigation systems. Building cities. There were no people to take the land from. It was land for the taking.
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Old 03-06-2018, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I thought the Boers settled lands that were mostly uninhabited. Land with no people to claim it. Or practically none. Or people who lived as vagabonds, here one day and gone the next like the Plains Indians. People who were just traveling through.

Was the land improved or marked in any way? Were the any records of ownership, titles, surveys, records, boundaries? Or was it just some guy saying the land is his?

Germans encountered the same thing in German Southwest Africa: an uninhabited desert. A wasteland. They cultivated it, bringing guano from sea cliffs for fertilizer, building irrigation systems. Building cities. There were no people to take the land from. It was land for the taking.
In South Africa it belonged to Shaka Zulu, and blood was shed when the Boers moved in, and more blood was shed after diamonds were discovered and the British felt compelled to launch a war against the Zulu.

The history is similar to our own when settlers moved West and Indians got in the way. It does not mean the land, which has been turned into productive farmland, can be confiscated today.
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Old 03-06-2018, 07:36 AM
 
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In South Africa it belonged to Shaka Zulu, and blood was shed when the Boers moved in, and more blood was shed after diamonds were discovered and the British felt compelled to launch a war against the Zulu.

The history is similar to our own when settlers moved West and Indians got in the way. It does not mean the land, which has been turned into productive farmland, can be confiscated today.
I thought the Zulus moved in after the Boers. The Boers started in the mid-17th century and the Zulus didn't show up until the late 18th or 19th.

Wasn't Shaka Zulu a king of the Zulus? Did he personally claim all of what is now SA?

Some how the Bantus played into this. I read somewhere they were killed off by the Zulus so they must have been there before the Zulus, too.
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Old 03-06-2018, 07:44 AM
 
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I thought the Zulus moved in after the Boers. The Boers started in the mid-17th century and the Zulus didn't show up until the late 18th or 19th.

Wasn't Shaka Zulu a king of the Zulus? Did he personally claim all of what is now SA?

Some how the Bantus played into this. I read somewhere they were killed off by the Zulus so they must have been there before the Zulus, too.
Yes, he was the king, so the land was his, or belonged to his kingdom. He brought the tribes together to form the Zulu kingdom. So, they didn't move in, they were there, but scattered in tribes. Once united, they had some success against the Brits, killing over 1000 in one battle, but eventually lost as is expected when you take spears against rifles.

Zulus are one of the some 500 ethnic groups of Bantus
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Old 03-06-2018, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Lake Charles, LA
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Like the Democrats in this country, the ruling African National Congress Party in South Africa is race baiting to keep themselves in power. Whites are a good scapegoat and way to shore up support for their otherwise dismal time in office.

Of course, don't expect the American left to call the ANC out on this as South Africa is still the "most progressive" African country
How are they "in power" when they only own 10% of the farmland in their own turf?
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Old 03-06-2018, 03:47 PM
 
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The Jews in South Africa saw the writing on the wall thirty years ago. They had worked hand in hand with the ANC to end apartheid, only to see South Africa become rabidly "anti-Zionist" (read anti-Semitic). Nearly half the community has emigrated, and more leave every year. I suspect that with this obvious move toward becoming Zimbabwe, more and more whites will flee, and the country will soon be undistinguishable from its neighbor - a miserable economic wasteland ruled by a dictator.
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Old 03-06-2018, 05:04 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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You're not supposed to feel sorry. You're supposed to be intelligent enough to be able to distinguish between colonization and land-grabs and redistribution. South Africa was colonized 100s of years ago. Hyper-inflated South African dollars to donuts not one person who will receive a Boer farm will have any legitimate claim to that land, which was not farm land prior to colonization.
They are taking the land because they can. And we're too politically correct to call it a land grab. Just as we're too politically correct to call South African armed robbery and rape by its names.
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BTW: we don't do colonization anymore in this world. Nor do we do land grabs. In case you haven't noticed that sort of thing went out of favor last century. Only retributive racists like yourself who think history started in 1492 harbor such absurd worldviews.
No. we let everyone else do it to Westerners. You can hear the heavy condemnation coming to Boers who fight back, just as we hear it for Israelis for fighting back.
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