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Do you really not understand the difference between offended and threatened? I am offended by something on this forum on a daily basis, but I have yet to read anything that made me fear for my life. It is not the same thing.
What is the threat you are referring to? The thread is about leftists students freaking out when a panel agreed that men and women are different. Was that "threatening" in your view? We have also discussed "Political correctness" run amok in the workplace, with the main example being the Google guy who said women are
"more neurotic" than men, and can't handle stress, and that's why there aren't many of them in high tech'.
Are you saying that is "threatening" language? Because it isn't. Rude, yes, but threatening, no. Nevertheless, they guy was fired for saying it.
It's helpful to go to sources other than the very biased source in the OP to shed light on what happened.
The speaker they were protesting was fired from Google for saying, in a public memo, that women are "more neurotic" than men, and can't handle stress, and that's why there aren't many of them in high tech.
And he was there to defend his statements.
I'd protest that too. We don't have to sit quietly and listen to that BS. "More neurotic"??? Can't handle stress? BS.
So you're saying you're going to counter being called "more neurotic" by behaving like a neurotic? Just want to make sure I understand this.
People in he United States do not get arrested for these things.
Not yet. But there are a great many among the Democrat left who would regard that as desireable and therefore "progressive". It will happen here, too, if they get their way.
In any case, since I am "offended," you must not be allowed to speak until I give you permission to do so.
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Originally Posted by Spartacus713
If I was being serious, you would be right. But I was just illustrating a point, as I believe BNW understood.
Even without any emoticons in your "I'm offended" post, Spartacus, I knew you were joking! There are too many thin-skinned and non-humorous people in this forum.
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Originally Posted by Catgirl64
Do you really not understand the difference between offended and threatened? I am offended by something on this forum on a daily basis, but I have yet to read anything that made me fear for my life. It is not the same thing.
People in he United States do not get arrested for these things.
That article about Weston being arrested is utter ridiculousness. IMO he should have been given an award for Civic Duty. I just can not understand the refusal of the western world to believe the truth! WHY? Because we have no concept of the real purpose of Islam? To kill all infidels who do not believe in Allah and Mohammad? That EVERYONE needs to believe in THEIR religion? Wake up, people!!
Eta: I do believe most people believe in Allah, just another name for GOD. It's the prophet Mohammed's teachings I have a problem with.
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People in he United States do not get arrested for these things.
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The passage from the book, written by the wartime Prime Minister and first published in 1899, focuses on Churchill's observations about Islam while serving during the Anglo-Egyptian reconquest of the Sudan.
Mr Weston told his audience: 'Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
'Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the faith: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
'No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.'
Amazing that those were the words that he was threatened for. He was simply quoting the observations of one of GBs greatest leaders, hardly things any sensible person could consider "threatening". The state of social development in much of the world where Islam is dominant demonstrates the truth of that observation.
I am curious-there are dozens of videos on the web of Islamic leaders in GB calling for and promoting violence against non-Muslims. Not just making observations, but promoting violence. Are they in prison? I have to wonder if liberalism has just "dumbed down" the leaders of GB, or if they instead have actually been subverted by Islamic members.
That’s not free speech. Hint: if people can get in trouble if it causes someone else distress, then it’s not free speech. In America, and from videos I’ve seen, also in England, people are always offended by something. They are calling speech violence, which is ridiculous.
Who determines what speech is offensive?
Quick test as to what constitutes violence vs opinion/free speech
Choose 1:
Get called a name
Get smashed on the head with a 2 by 4
People in he United States do not get arrested for these things.
First of all no further action was ever taken in respect of Paul Weston who was arrested for He was arrested for failing to comply with a dispersal order and on suspicion of harassment.
As for Facebook and Twitter, the post has to be malicious under the 2003 Communications Act, once again threats such as rape or death threats are usually those that the police are interested in. The law even states in relarion to s127 of the Communications Act that prosecutions should only take place where messages are more than merely offensive.
It also should be noted that the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) decide on such cases and not the Police.
In terms of Harassment, Intimidation and Assault they equally apply under US Law.
Such cases need to be malicious and involve credible threats before the police will become involved. Criteria such as revenge porn, rape threats, death threats, continued stalking, continued harassment (the police will often issue a warning long before taking any action) and such cases may sometimes involve malicious posts, harrassment and stalking that is racially or religiously aggrevated. Furthermore cases have involved other threats such as a threat to blow up an airport, and I would hope such threats would be taken seriously in the US, other credible malicious threats could include threats relatning to schools, an issue the US is currently debating.
The Police are very busy people and don't generally bother taking any action unless the threat is both seen as credible (real) and of sufficent seriosness to warrant action. The then pass the case on to the Lawyers at the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) who examine of the case is of such a serious nature that it should be tried in a Court.
Once someone has been warned to stop sending death threats or rape threats or continually sending people racial abuse then I am afraid it becomes harassment, stalking, intimidation and malicious. I would expect any decent country to uphold such laws, which help stop cyber bullying, fear/distress and even in some cases suicide and this goes beyond mere free speech in to unacceptable behaviour.
Furthermore such communications are not limited to the internet, for many years the police and authorities have taken action in relation to obsene phone calls or threats via letters put through the postal system.
The guidelines say that prosecutions should only occur when the existing two stage test for prosecution is met; i.e. that the prosecution is in the public interest and that there is a realistic prospect of conviction. The guidelines go on to say that prosecution against people using social media should only be considered in the following circumstances:
Where the communication constitutes a ‘credible threat’
The guidelines state that the only ‘credible threats’ should be prosecuted. These include a threat to kill, contrary to s16 of Offences against the Person Act 1861, or threats that form part of a campaign of harassment. These types of offences have not been created to deal with social media and can also be committed offline.
Where the communications target a specific individual
Should someone repeatedly target the same person with messages on social media, this could amount to harassment or even stalking. Messages that seek to blackmail someone will be treated as such.
Where the communication is the breach of a court order
Tweeting details of someone who the court have ordered shall remain anonymous, for example a rape victim, is an offence as is sending any message in direct contravention of a court order.
Where the communication is grossly offensive, indecent, obscene or false
If the message does not fit into any of the above categories, it could still be an offence under s1 Malicious Communications Act 1988 or s127 Communications Act 2003.
A message is an offence under s1 Malicious Communications Act if it is sent electronically to another and is indecent or grossly offensive, conveys a threat, or is false and there is intention to cause distress or anxiety to the recipient. The message does not have to reach the intended recipient as long as it has been sent.
An offence is committed under s127 Communications Act if a message is sent through a public electronic communications network, and is ‘grossly offensive’ or of ‘indecent, obscene or menacing character.’ It is also an offence to send a false message to ‘cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety’
However the guidelines recognise that thousands of messages are sent on social media every day, not just on Twitter but on sites such as Facebook and YouTube.
They say that prosecutors must have regard to every individual’s right to free speech, and therefore prosecutions should only take place where messages are more than; offensive, shocking, rude or unfashionable.
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