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Old 03-03-2018, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Austin
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So, you agree with biden? Figures....you don't want broken federal law investigated.

But, if you care to back up your gun shop comment, go ahead.

There are 20k gun laws............you want more, yes, there is no common sense in your argument.
But if we just had a few more gun laws, people would not lie on federal forms. Right?
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Old 03-03-2018, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Austin
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...And yet there is not a single gun manufacturer in Mexico. They have found a couple of illegal ones with a few employees, but gun manufacturing does not take place in Mexico.

So where do you think all those guns in Mexico are coming from??
Did you read the link?

"Moreover, the often-quoted statistic allegedly showing that as much as 70 percent, or even 90 percent, of guns seized in Mexico come from the US is not true. That statistic is based only on seized guns that are also traced by the ATF. How many of all guns seized in Mexico come from the US? According to Stratfor, "almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States." Nor does the Mexican government ask the ATF to trace all guns seized in Mexico. This is because many of those arms can be traced back to the Mexican government itself. "
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Old 03-03-2018, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Austin
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So where do you think all those guns in Mexico are coming from??

"Latin America has a long tradition of gun production, with some manufacturers tracing their history back many decades. Brazil has the largest arms industry in the region, followed by Argentina. Firearms are also produced by private or government-owned industries in Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Mexico, Paraguay, Peru, and Venezuela. While most of the production is intended to equip the military and law enforcement institutions, some of the production is for private use."

The report also refers to "major exporters" of small arms in Argentina, Chile, Mexico, and Brazil. So we know Mexico contains local arms-producing manufacturers to the point that some are "major exporters" who also produce arms for government institutions. And government stockpiles are a source for black markets as well."
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Old 03-03-2018, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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"Latin America has a long tradition of gun production, with some manufacturers tracing their history back many decades. Brazil has the largest arms industry in the region, followed by Argentina. Firearms are also produced by private or government-owned industries in Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Mexico, Paraguay, Peru, and Venezuela. While most of the production is intended to equip the military and law enforcement institutions, some of the production is for private use."

The report also refers to "major exporters" of small arms in Argentina, Chile, Mexico, and Brazil. So we know Mexico contains local arms-producing manufacturers to the point that some are "major exporters" who also produce arms for government institutions. And government stockpiles are a source for black markets as well."
How many guns come into Mexico from those countries, the report indicated over 200k each year from US
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Old 03-03-2018, 12:04 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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We "lose" 200,000 guns a year why go all the way to Guatemala. Its not much different from inside the US, most of the guns used in crimes in places with strict gun laws like NY come from states with weak gun laws.



We're sending guns, crime to Mexico
Well according to this report you are wrong and the LA times is wrong from this 2009 article. They stated 90% came from Mexico but here is the twist, that the percentage can be twisted in reporting. 90% of TRACEABLE guns originated from the U.S.A but only a small percentage were traceable. But of course Clinton ran with "90% of guns come from the U.S,A" when only 17% were proven to originate from the U.S.A

The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S. | Fox News
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Old 03-03-2018, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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They restrict citizen gun ownership and all guns must be registered with the federal government. So law abiding people can't buy the guns that LE has. But guess what... criminals can buy any gun they choose. They always have and always will.

Why haven't Mexico's strict gun laws slowed their high murder rate?

Maybe they just need more gun laws.
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Mexico maintains some fairly strict gun laws: All guns must be registered through the federal government, carrying a gun requires a license, sales are legally limited to one store in Mexico City, and carrying licenses can be taken away at the federal government's discretion.

Like much of Latin America, Mexico is a country with strict gun laws, but high homicide rates.

https://mises.org/wire/stop-blaming-...-american-guns

Where do you think those criminals in Mexico get their guns? They get them from America where firearms and ammo are sold on street corners and from trunks of cars.
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Old 03-03-2018, 01:12 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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They restrict citizen gun ownership and all guns must be registered with the federal government. So law abiding people can't buy the guns that LE has. But guess what... criminals can buy any gun they choose. They always have and always will.

Why haven't Mexico's strict gun laws slowed their high murder rate?

Maybe they just need more gun laws.
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Mexico maintains some fairly strict gun laws: All guns must be registered through the federal government, carrying a gun requires a license, sales are legally limited to one store in Mexico City, and carrying licenses can be taken away at the federal government's discretion.

Like much of Latin America, Mexico is a country with strict gun laws, but high homicide rates.

https://mises.org/wire/stop-blaming-...-american-guns

"Failed" gun laws? Bwahahahahaha! Oh yea! Since the cartels out gun the Mexican Army by a factor of ten or better I'd say that counts as a failure. The only people in Mexico who don't have access to an arms rack that makes Ft Braggs look like Wal Marts gun counter are non criminal types. Makes a lot of sense huh?

This is exactly what things will be like here if the ban happy bunch has their way. Heavily armed street gangs roving around in spinner rimmed SUVs with as equally heavily gunned police afraid to engage them. All under the banner of "common sense" gun control laws.
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Old 03-03-2018, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Grove City, Ohio
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A Mexican drug cartel with BILLIONS of dollars can buy any weapon in the world without a single person stopping them. More laws and more forms aren't going to stop them.

If I were a drug kingpin in Mexico how many fully automatic AK-47's, each with 3,000 rounds of ammunition, do you think I could purchase for $10 million dollars? Do you think I would get any offers if I stipulated that proof must be shown that the guns and ammo were never in the United States?

For $10 million dollars cash money do you think I would get any offers for guns where proof had to be shown they originated south of the Panama Canal?

Yes, if American totally prohibited the private ownership of any and all fire arms the drug cartels would still have their AK-45's.

One of the most depressing stories is what happens inside Mexico's Juarez Valley on the Mexico-Texas border.

Two murders a day, horrific kidnappings and even the police don't dare enter: Inside the ghost towns of Mexico's 'Murder Valley' - one of the deadliest places on earth

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18-foot high fences separate Juarez Valley from American state of Texas
Vigilante forces who opposed 'Sinaloa' cartel were tortured and beheaded
'You get used to seeing dead bodies in the street,' says one local resident
Pictures of murdered relatives sent to families who failed to pay ransom
One man heard his kidnapped daughter, 17, being raped 'down the phone'
The police officers who were executed in 2009 have never been replaced
Only 5,000 of its 60,000 original inhabitants have dared to remain
I've read stories where a dozen Sinaloa cartel members enter a town where they murder, rape and rob as they please because nobody has a private firearm to defend themselves.

So I guess if a gun free place sounds good to you maybe the Jaurez Valley is your kind of place. Now imagine what would happen if a dozen criminals went into a place like Gillette, Wyoming where nearly everyone is armed? I would venture to guess the criminals would be cut down in the street in very short order.

Mexico Considers Expanding Citizensí Ability to Arm Themselves for Self-Defense
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Old 03-03-2018, 01:46 PM
 
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They restrict citizen gun ownership and all guns must be registered with the federal government. So law abiding people can't buy the guns that LE has. But guess what... criminals can buy any gun they choose. They always have and always will.

Why haven't Mexico's strict gun laws slowed their high murder rate?

Maybe they just need more gun laws.
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Mexico maintains some fairly strict gun laws: All guns must be registered through the federal government, carrying a gun requires a license, sales are legally limited to one store in Mexico City, and carrying licenses can be taken away at the federal government's discretion.

Like much of Latin America, Mexico is a country with strict gun laws, but high homicide rates.

https://mises.org/wire/stop-blaming-...-american-guns
We get their drugs, they get our guns.

We poison one another's countries.
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Old 03-03-2018, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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I have owned a home in central Mexico since 2008 and live here fulltime currently.

Drugs go norte, guns flow sur of the border.

If Americans didn't crave drugs, there would be no cartels, no guns needed.
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