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Old 03-02-2018, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I am from Houston and live here currently and this isn’t a troll thread. Aside from the West 40% of the inner loop + one narrow strip from downtown all along the west side and 2 fairly wealthy old-ish suburbs that were annexed by the city about 30-40 years ago, the rest of the city is a pit. But it is very diverse, which is the most important thing. The “poor moving to the suburbs” thing is not true here, as the city limit square mileage is so big where they are moving to is still Houston although it may as well be a suburb. White flight is pretty much over in the city as there are none left, and it is said they are leaving Harris county in droves right now. I wonder if it could be because they are tired of paying some of the highest property taxes in the nation, while people scream for them to pay more? Once county wide white flight is over it will be an interesting scenario for sure.
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Old 03-02-2018, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Yes, much cheaper to kill them. What percentage of poor babies do you think should have been killed?

I’m thinking about 40%
Well, it is either one or the other, isn't it?

Don't want to "kill" them, don't want to feed them after they are born.
Don't want to provide the mothers with free/low-cost birth control to prevent pregnancy in the first place.

Don't even start any nonsense about abstinence because like everything else, it isn't applied equally.
Teens and women in higher income strata can afford to pay to terminate unwanted pregnancies and don't pretend that they don't.
We've seen how even "family values" Republicans live that very double-standard when it comes to their mistresses.

And don't even start on how many people are looking to adopt.

The people looking to adopt are NOT looking for infants born to poor, predominantly Hispanic teenagers.

So, what's the solution?
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Old 03-02-2018, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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I don't agree taxpayers should pay for birth-control. Why should women who work pay taxes and pay for their own control so that other women don't have to pay for their birth control because it is a welfare handout.

Texas obviously has excellent benefits for poor families as they seem to prefer it to other states. Texas has more poor families with children so it is obviously the welfare shopper families state of choice.

In states like Colorado and California a majority of landlords laugh at section 8 vouchers. Can't blame them with a low housing inventory who would want to rent a section 8 family.

Texas landlords seem much more open to accept section 8. Which is very sad because section 8 families are not known to maintain a residence perfectly.
No one maintains a residence (or anything else) perfectly. Because no one is perfect.
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Old 03-02-2018, 02:35 PM
 
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What makes you think that Texas has "excellent benefits for poor families?"

What you are seeing is the outcome of limiting women's health choices coupled with a culture that values large families.

Lots of people predicted that Texas would end up paying for more births when they stopped funding Planned Parenthood.

Et voila!
No, what you are seeing is the results of the failure of the federal government to control our borders. Also, we are a big destination for legal immigrants who, as you say, value large families. It is what it is. No one actively recruited welfare recipients here for the money. And we opened our arms to Katrina victims because it was the right thing to do.
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Old 03-02-2018, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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Houston is a beautiful city, unlike other cities the poor areas of Houston aren’t put in a little corner and ignored (Chicago) or they aren’t all out in the center of the city and ignored (Saint Louis). Here in Houston you meet people from all walks of life more easily and their good and bad areas in every direction, it has its benefits and drawbacks but to call it third world, clearly you have never been. Even Alief, Spring, Pasadena and other large mostly lower middle class areas look like the rest of America and have most people speaking English. The worst part of Houston, Sunnyside has a few thousand people and is only a few miles from Suburban paradise the rest of the city is a patchwork of good and bad neighborhoods.
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Old 03-02-2018, 03:15 PM
 
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Before getting worked up about so many poor kids in Houston, check out the requirements for reduced and free lunch.

The school only has to check 2% or 3000 applicants, whichever is less.

They could check them all. The school can send a letter asking the applicant to verify income. If the school gets no reply, no free lunch. Now that moms and dads don't marry and file joint tax returns, it is easy to tweak moms income so they can qualify.

Also, for every kid on reduced and free lunch the district gets all kinds of benefits including extra money. There is no incentive for the schools to verify income. Saw an article a couple years ago where the school gave a $10 Walmart gift card to every applicant.
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Old 03-02-2018, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I found this thread researching Houston. This whole thread makes no sense and waht is that part about very rich Vermont and new Hampshire ??? Very white maybe but not very rich

the op acts like people are moving to texas because they can get on welfare and it vastly distorts houston. Houston is one of the wealthiest cities in the country, ninth in the country https://www.papercitymag.com/culture...ows-by-dallas/

We have over 25 fortune 500 companies headquartered here , you have the best cancer center and one fo the best hospitals in the world , rice university and probably one of the richest neighborhoods in the united states river oaks, the museum district, theater district ,minute maid, bbva ,nrg all located pretty close to each other. This is not a poor city by any imagination unless you are talking about certain areas.

Its like talking about nyc and all you use are the stats from the south bronx and never mention manhattan
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...exas/PST045216

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...e/NH/PST045216

The middle class gets another raise - Sep. 12, 2017

New Hampshire median household income: $68,000
United States median household income: $59,000
Houston median household income: $47,000
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Old 03-02-2018, 03:35 PM
 
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I am from Houston and live here currently and this isn’t a troll thread. Aside from the West 40% of the inner loop + one narrow strip from downtown all along the west side and 2 fairly wealthy old-ish suburbs that were annexed by the city about 30-40 years ago, the rest of the city is a pit. But it is very diverse, which is the most important thing. The “poor moving to the suburbs” thing is not true here, as the city limit square mileage is so big where they are moving to is still Houston although it may as well be a suburb. White flight is pretty much over in the city as there are none left, and it is said they are leaving Harris county in droves right now. I wonder if it could be because they are tired of paying some of the highest property taxes in the nation, while people scream for them to pay more? Once county wide white flight is over it will be an interesting scenario for sure.
Isn't the bolded somewhat tied to the fact that there is no state income tax. Money has to come from somewhere, right?
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Old 03-02-2018, 03:40 PM
 
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Now, how can we calculate the under the table income. Texas does not license contractors. Electricians and plumbers, HVAC have to have a license. The state says if you do work on electricity and plumbing you have to use a licensed contractor. There is no provision for obtaining a permit or an inspection.

We just had cameras installed. The guy wanted cash. It was a start up. He didn't even have sense enough to know all he had to do was take the check to the bank it is written on. Even if his business is registered with the state there is no way for the state to know anything about anything.

There is a huge underground economy in Texas.

Is this number for Houston proper, or the county? One of the most wealthy areas is not in Houston ISD. It is Spring Branch.
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Old 03-02-2018, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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21.4 births per 100,000 in Houston

81 percent of children in Houston Independent School District are so poor that the federal government has to intervene and give them free and reduced lunch.

Los Angeles homeless issue is nothing compared to the third-world baby factory that the city of Houston is.

Easier to house 50,000 or so homeless people in LA. Than Houston with by far the largest per-capita rate of poor children of any top 10 city in America.

https://www.dshs.texas.gov/chs/vstat/vs13/t09.aspx

Students at 169 schools to eat for free during 2014-2015 school year | News Blog

They pretty much have a third-world birth rate in Houston. Seems like it a perfect city for welfare though as Texas has excellent benefits for poor families as long as they have children. The rents and single-family homes are extremely cheap.

Lots of condos for $50,000 or less. Monthly hotels around $800/month. Lots of single-family homes for less than $100,000. This means that families who can't afford anywhere else are moving to Houston.

Houston has 30 percent higher birth rate than Mormons in Utah. Over Double the rate of New Hampshire, Vermont and Maine

Utah has about 16 births per 100,000

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...rs-and-babies/

Very rich New Hampshire, Vermont have less than 10 births per 100,000. Maine has less than 10 births per 100,000 people based on population

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr66/nvsr66_01.pdf
So what? Lets this child starve? More population density = more people = more chances of poverty.
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