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Old 03-04-2018, 08:16 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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Originally Posted by evilnewbie View Post
The Americans are NOT afraid of a trade war... the anti-Trump media who like to spin everything "It's Trump's fault" is trying to convince Americans into their hateful divisive message... where have you been the last TWO YEARS.... if you are a stupid liberal, the trade wars have been ONGOING for decades...
Every bit of media hate directed at Trump to date is about what's happening now. The globalists behind the multinational corporations and the pawns they've placed into power in many countries are threatened by Trump's message of resuscitating America at the expense of corporate-globalist interests.

 
Old 03-04-2018, 08:27 AM
 
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Every bit of media hate directed at Trump to date is about what's happening now. The globalists behind the multinational corporations and the pawns they've placed into power in many countries are threatened by Trump's message of resuscitating America at the expense of corporate-globalist interests.
This is all lovely sentiment, emotion, feelings...but it isn't based on any historical or real data to support tariffs as a way of 'resuscitating America. And interestingly enough -- we keep hearing how the economy is going gang busters -- why does it need resuscitating.
 
Old 03-04-2018, 08:40 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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If you ever took a history class in school (and listened) or ever read economics in college, you'll remember that tariffs are not a good thing.

The universal response to tariffs is more tariffs, by every country that has been targeted, and suddenly everything costs more. Everywhere. What has been accomplished? Nothing. Except we the consumers now have raging inflation on our hands, and don't forget who pays for all these higher prices. We do.
Understand this: China & the United States have reciprocal tariffs. We also have them with most countries. We pay up to a 35% tariff to export something into China. The tariffs are already there & have been for years. What China has done is to charge us for our imports and then bypass paying us when the door swings the other way. They do that by building in Mexico or Canada, then funneling the goods into the US tariff free via the NAFTA agreement (It's not just the Chinese either). In addition to this avoidance of the agreement they signed, they also subsidize many of their industries like steel, which give them an unfair trade advantage and in the case of steel they intentionally overproduce in order to artificially drive down prices and hurt foreign steel manufacturers. We're not talking about a level playing field, where Trump just decided to attach tariffs because he's a dummy. Trump is going to create a level playing field and we should be thankful.

For the past 50 years Democrats have been calling for an end to free trade deals that crushed our unions, demolished our steel/auto industries & hurt the working/middle classes. In the past seven days the Democrats have done a complete ideological 180' because the multinational corporate interests who own the the politicians & MSM started feeding the left talking points that are pro-corporate and anti-worker. In addition, the Russians have flooded the internet pushing the false narrative that these moves will hurt the American people. The absolute last thing the multinational corporations, predatory nations like China or Russia want is to see the US steel industry revived to it's former glory. It didn't take a decade to change the minds of the rank & file Democrat voters, it didn't take years, it took one measly week for the left to start defending the multinational corporations at the expense of the American worker. Frustrating.
 
Old 03-04-2018, 08:59 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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This goes to the heart of the matter. All this "trade war" mania is all about Trump - and the "resistance". Not what's right or what's fair or what's good for average Americans and our national economic and strategic security. Just more of the derangement syndrome we've seen for over 2 years.
Precisely. For decades the left has been calling for an end to the unfair trade agreements that crushed the unions, decimated our auto/steel industries and hurt the working/middle classes. In literally just the past week, they have done an ideological 180'. The multinational corporations that run the Democratic Party don't want America first, look at corporate earnings since these trade deals went into effect. So they lobby the Democratic politicians to work against the American people & their partners in the multinational MSM jump on board to program the sheep to believe the opposite of what they've believed their whole lives & TDS is so strong they're able to turn them around in a week. It's pretty frightening how easily these lefties can be led.
 
Old 03-04-2018, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Northern NJ/Amagansett, NY
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Especially the Congressional Republicans. Who are they trying to protect?

As Americans, we can take a hit, but with our market being the best destination for the world’s products, we can hit just as hard or harder. Why are we so afraid to make others cry uncle for once? Our workers and industries have been crying uncle for decades with no relief in sight...til now.

If many Americans take a big blow in a trade war, then we should simply step up to the plate and help take care of those that are adversely affected. That’s what strong nations are supposed to do.

I mean, so many Americans have no problems with actual physical wars where people are getting killed and we never win anything in the end, but we’re gonna punk out and tremble at the mere thought of a trade war? Please.

If the Chinese and Europeans want a trade war, let’s do it. I think we stand a good chance of winning it or at least getting a better bargain for our workers and our industries.
I agree. And it is very possible that we don’t end up with these tariffs, but as long as our trading partners believe it is a very real possibility, it gives us a lot of leverage to renegotiate these lousy trade deals that have been harming the American workers for decades.

When I go into a dealership to buy a car, the best leverage I have is in them knowing that I am willing to walk out of the dealership without buying the car from them.
 
Old 03-04-2018, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Understand this: China & the United States have reciprocal tariffs. We also have them with most countries. We pay up to a 35% tariff to export something into China. The tariffs are already there & have been for years. What China has done is to charge us for our imports and then bypass paying us when the door swings the other way. They do that by building in Mexico or Canada, then funneling the goods into the US tariff free via the NAFTA agreement (It's not just the Chinese either).
Got any examples? Why would China build a factory or other business in Canada in order to funnel goods into the U.S. tariff free when they could accomplish the same thing by putting the factory or business directly in the U.S.?


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For the past 50 years Democrats have been calling for an end to free trade deals that crushed our unions, demolished our steel/auto industries & hurt the working/middle classes.
50 years ago is 1968. What free trade agreements did the U.S. have in 1968, or even in 1978?

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Old 03-04-2018, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Texas
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If you ever took a history class in school (and listened) or ever read economics in college, you'll remember that tariffs are not a good thing.

The universal response to tariffs is more tariffs, by every country that has been targeted, and suddenly everything costs more. Everywhere. What has been accomplished? Nothing. Except we the consumers now have raging inflation on our hands, and don't forget who pays for all these higher prices. We do.

Boobus doesn't learn. The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results.
 
Old 03-04-2018, 09:16 AM
 
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All this talk about controlling quality of imports, etc....you don't do that with tariffs. You do that with quality control via legislation. Tariffs don't improve the quality of an import -- if it was crap before, it still will be crap when US companies end up having to pay 25% more for it.
 
Old 03-04-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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Because, the only weapon Trump can come up with is to make things more expensive for ourselves. That's self-inflating injuries. I mean, that's all for a war?

Trump is only good at being angry. After that, don't hurt self.
 
Old 03-04-2018, 09:18 AM
 
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I agree. And it is very possible that we donít end up with these tariffs, but as long as our trading partners believe it is a very real possibility, it gives us a lot of leverage to renegotiate these lousy trade deals that have been harming the American workers for decades.

When I go into a dealership to buy a car, the best leverage I have is in them knowing that I am willing to walk out of the dealership without buying the car from them.
This works if you have the advantage -- but the issue is -- say with Canada -- the USA doesn't have the advantage. It's a break even -- Canada needs the USA and the USA needs Canada.

Something like 37 states have Canada as their biggest trading partner. They will be adversely affected if there are trade wars with Canada.

Trump thinks because it is the big ole USA they can walk in dictate terms and walk out.

Doesn't work that way -- doesn't work that way at all.
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