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Old 03-04-2018, 10:59 PM
miu
 
Location: MA/NH
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You've clearly demonstrated the fact that you're only human here. You've made some fair allegations here, but some have emerged out of ignorance.

First of all, it must absolutely be acknowledged that when Africans first reached this continent, they had "culture", respect, and were no doubt, highly regarded within their respective African communities or villages. The African male knew his place within his tribe or his relative position within his community's social strata.


It was indeed the institution of slavery that destabilized both African and African-American social strata. Africans were driven by raw fear, ignorance, and subsequently, manipulation. Whatever it once meant to be a man in Africa no longer existed here as a slave in America. As a matter of fact, the institution of slavery necessarily requires the immediate process of emasculation, prior to servitude. Otherwise, the mutual understanding between slave and master gets lost.
This is similar to creating an understanding between a horse and rider, or between a battered wife and a misogynistic husband. Control in all cases must be firmly established before any duties are executed. This establishment of control is one which demonstrates dominance and necessitates complete and total acquiescence. The enslaved male ceases to have any personal identity of expression and therefore, loses his masculinity by default. For that that which is dominated, is perceived as weak. That which is perceived as weak, is viewed as subservient. In most societies(including those of the west),
Really?? When it was more dominant African tribes who captured and enslaved them in order to sell them to the European slave traders who them brought them over to the Americas. Other Africans enslaved those slaves first, secondly the Europeans owning the transport ships brought them over to America to sell them to the Americans.

So it was other Africans from different tribes who first stripped African slaves of their manhood, respect and culture. It's definitely not all "whitey's fault".
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Old 03-05-2018, 12:06 AM
 
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Really?? When it was more dominant African tribes who captured and enslaved them in order to sell them to the European slave traders who them brought them over to the Americas. Other Africans enslaved those slaves first, secondly the Europeans owning the transport ships brought them over to America to sell them to the Americans.

So it was other Africans from different tribes who first stripped African slaves of their manhood, respect and culture. It's definitely not all "whitey's fault".
For some resson, it remains quite typicsl for whites to completely dismiss the fact that the type of slavery instituted here in the Americas was nowhere near the type implemented amongst subsaharan Africans. African slavery did not dehumanize their slaves. They often accepted into families by adoption and via marriage. They weren't treated solely as beast of burden. They weren't convinced that they were ugly and had unattractive physical features. Their hair wasn't too nappy, their noses weren't too broad, their lips weren't too thick, and their skin wasn't too black! The negative psychological effects upon the black community alone have been absolutely devastating!
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Old 03-05-2018, 12:23 AM
 
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At least they could be honest, 80% of white people didn't decide to pay $30.

Most white people would just leave without buying anything, and will therefore not be included in their statistics.
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Old 03-05-2018, 01:06 AM
 
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At least they could be honest, 80% of white people didn't decide to pay $30.

Most white people would just leave without buying anything, and will therefore not be included in their statistics.
discrimination lawsuit... if a gay couple can use the courts to force a business to make them a wedding cake, then people can use it to get food stamp price foods if other people get them as well
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Old 03-05-2018, 02:15 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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As I recall, blacks were forced to split up marriages and families when they received welfare. The father had to leave so the woman could get benefits. Big Government destroyed black families.
The policy was not limited to blacks, and I agree with you that it was horrible.

Mark this day on your calendar. This probably won't happen again.
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Old 03-05-2018, 04:10 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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This is an absolutely disingenuous response to my question concerning your polarizing use of the term "whitey".
As if charging Whites significantly more than Blacks for the same food, the topic of this thread, ISN'T polarizing? Get real.

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You used this racially charged term as you chose to denigrate the African-American community by implying that they are too promiscuous and have a low social standard of morality. This is clarified when you made reference to their having 72% of their children born outside of wedlock.
It's factual info. Seems you're the one making assumptions on promiscuity and low morality standards based on that info.

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Since in our society, bearing children outside the bonds of holy matrimony is frowned upon, and marriage is regarded with higher social esteem, your statement using the term, "whitey" can only be interpreted as unnecessarily inflammatory and derogatory.
Actually, my only intent was to offer the statistic as an explanation of why Blacks have a higher poverty rate than anyone else. Single mother households have the highest poverty rate, and Blacks have a 72% unwed birth rate.

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Your use of the term "whitey" assumes that African-Americans would have some form of adversarial and accusatory attitude towards whites concerning their perception that a relatively high number of black children are conceived outside of marriage.
They're just adversarial and accusatory to Whites in general, hence the food stall's actions, which is the topic of this thread.

Seems you might want to reconsider several of your assumptions. They say much more about you than you might think.
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Old 03-05-2018, 04:15 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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As I recall, blacks were forced to split up marriages and families when they received welfare. The father had to leave so the woman could get benefits. Big Government destroyed black families.
Correct. That happened to those of ALL races/ethnicities, but Blacks took the bait and sacrificed their families' structures more than any other group. Anyone opposed to welfare is opposed to splitting up families.
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Old 03-05-2018, 04:23 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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What is a "food stall?"

There is no such thing as "racial wealth disparity."
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Old 03-05-2018, 04:30 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Really?? When it was more dominant African tribes who captured and enslaved them in order to sell them to the European slave traders who then brought them over to the Americas. Other Africans enslaved those slaves first, secondly the Europeans owning the transport ships brought them over to America to sell them to the Americans.

So it was other Africans from different tribes who first stripped African slaves of their manhood, respect and culture. It's definitely not all "whitey's fault".
Correct.

Africans captured and enslaved each other for convenience and profit for thousands of years before the Atlantic slave trade even began, and STILL capture and enslave each other for convenience and profit, to this day.

Interesting info... The following slave trade map shows where African slaves were shipped. The larger the arrow, the higher the number:


Public Domain. Via the NEH (National Endowment for the Humanities).
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Old 03-05-2018, 05:43 AM
 
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As if charging Whites significantly more than Blacks for the same food, the topic of this thread, ISN'T polarizing? Get real.

It's factual info. Seems you're the one making assumptions on promiscuity and low morality standards based on that info.

Actually, my only intent was to offer the statistic as an explanation of why Blacks have a higher poverty rate than anyone else. Single mother households have the highest poverty rate, and Blacks have a 72% unwed birth rate.

They're just adversarial and accusatory to Whites in general, hence the food stall's actions, which is the topic of this thread.

Seems you might want to reconsider several of your assumptions. They say much more about you than you might think.
No, it's your assumptions, sir!......It's your assumptions which bring us up to this point!

Your strike was preemptive and quite disrespectful......
I am quite familiar with people of all ethnicities. I don't know too many who would use the term "whitey", before the initiation of dialogue begins. I think it says much about your predisposition........

I think I now know you!

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