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Old 03-04-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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Tariff's are a form of Socialism.
lol

Just get a big cardboard box. Take everything you don't like , throw it in there, and write "Socialism" on the outside. There's your argument. Bad things == socialism.
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Old 03-04-2018, 02:26 PM
 
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It's State management/control of the individual's right to trade with whomever he wishes without interference. It may not be absolute State control of the means of production, but it's barely one step away.
In accordance with the Constitution, the first order of responsibility the government is the defense and welfare of this nation.

Helping globalists become richer at this countries expense is not in the Constitution.
Globalists are free to move to another country if they do not like it, and if they try and sell here, so they can keep getting money from our consumers, we will put tariffs on their products to.
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Old 03-04-2018, 02:26 PM
 
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lol

Just get a big cardboard box. Take everything you don't like , throw it in there, and write "Socialism" on the outside. There's your argument.
You did not quote or address my argument. Tariff's most certainly are not Capitalism, so put it in whatever box you want. You are fine with non Capitalist programs when you see a benefit.
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Old 03-04-2018, 02:30 PM
 
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You did not quote or address my argument.
Well it's a naked assertion and it's wrong. There, I've addressed it.

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Tariff's most certainly are not Capitalism
Tariffs are a form of tax. Taxes are a mechanism to raise revenue. None of that has anything to do with capitalism or socialism. Tariffs existed in the days of feudalism, prior to the ideas of capitalism and socialism. (Which, by the way, are not opposites. You can be both capitalist and socialist, or neither.)
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Old 03-04-2018, 02:30 PM
 
Location: SGV
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In accordance with the Constitution, the first order of responsibility the government is the defense and welfare of this nation.

Helping globalists become richer at this countries expense is not in the Constitution.
Globalists are free to move to another country if they do not like it, and if they try and sell here, so they can keep getting money from our consumers, we will put tariffs on their products to.
I'll have to remember this if I ever decide to sign the Constitution. Good to know.
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Old 03-04-2018, 02:39 PM
 
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Well it's a naked assertion and it's wrong. There, I've addressed it.



Tariffs are a form of tax. Taxes are a mechanism to raise revenue. None of that has anything to do with capitalism or socialism. Tariffs existed in the days of feudalism, prior to the ideas of capitalism and socialism. (Which, by the way, are not opposites. You can be both capitalist and socialist, or neither.)
This is not done to raise revenue. It's funny how you aren't even willing to be honest.
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Old 03-04-2018, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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1 article =/= keynesian economics

keynes, for the most part, was opposed to tariffs. keynesian economics is about liquidity traps and counter-cyclical stimulus.

all that nonsense at mises.org and investors business daily will rot your brain, it's political ideology masquerading as economics.
He may have been in theory. I may also be incorrect about that. I prefer business cycles, regardless.

Would you prefer I study Krugman, instead?
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Old 03-04-2018, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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lol

Just get a big cardboard box. Take everything you don't like , throw it in there, and write "Socialism" on the outside. There's your argument. Bad things == socialism.
"Statism" may be more apropos.
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Old 03-04-2018, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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In accordance with the Constitution, the first order of responsibility the government is the defense and welfare of this nation.

Helping globalists become richer at this countries expense is not in the Constitution.
Globalists are free to move to another country if they do not like it, and if they try and sell here, so they can keep getting money from our consumers, we will put tariffs on their products to.
The Constitution is meaningless. We don't get our rights from a piece of paper.

The right for an individual, or a group of individuals, to voluntarily exchange goods and services is an inherent Natural Right that cannot be interfered with by the State. It is yet another example of why the State is illegitimate and should not be allowed to exist.

Statism is cancer.
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Old 03-04-2018, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Tariffs are a form of tax. Taxes are a mechanism to raise revenue. None of that has anything to do with capitalism or socialism. Tariffs existed in the days of feudalism, prior to the ideas of capitalism and socialism. (Which, by the way, are not opposites. You can be both capitalist and socialist, or neither.)
Taxation is theft. Therefore, by definition, tariffs are theft as well.

They are theft of not only business profits but theft from their consumers.
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