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Old 03-04-2018, 03:34 PM
 
Location: USA
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"Statism" may be more apropos.
Agree. I hate Tariffs, however, we need to level the playing field in order to continue to survive economically. At some point the house of cards will collapse, and when our military is vulnerable, China, et al will act.

We need to go back to focusing on being producers again.
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Old 03-04-2018, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I'll have to remember this if I ever decide to sign the Constitution. Good to know.
But muh Social Contract!!!!
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Old 03-04-2018, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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We need to go back to focusing on being producers again.
One of the first sensible things I have seen you post
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Old 03-04-2018, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Agree. I hate Tariffs, however, we need to level the playing field in order to continue to survive economically. At some point the house of cards will collapse, and when our military is vulnerable, China, et al will act.

We need to go back to focusing on being producers again.
There is no "we." "We" do not live in a collective.

Voluntary consensual actions between individuals are non-negotiable. Trade between individuals and/or groups of individuals is an inherent, inalienable Natural Right, period.

The house of cards will collapse much faster with a State-managed economy. It always does. Once the currency is debased far enough and the world abandons the Petrodollar we turn into Zimbabwe or Venezuela.

China represents 2% of steel imports. 2%. The vast majority of US steel is made in the U.S.
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Old 03-04-2018, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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There is no "we." "We" do not live in a collective.
Complete rubbish we live in a country with many people who have similar needs. Fanatical individualism will lead to prosperity for a few and ruination for a majority.
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Old 03-04-2018, 03:50 PM
 
Location: SGV
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Complete rubbish we live in a country with many people who have similar needs. Fanatical individualism will lead to prosperity for a few and ruination for a majority.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXnvTwRBrgc
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Old 03-04-2018, 03:57 PM
 
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Not sure this is the right spot for this comment, but just an aside, the last time we had a tariff on steel, studies indicated that it cost the loss of more jobs overall than the entire number of persons employed in steel production.

I donít see the Keynesian socialism in tariffs as much as sheer stupidity.

http://www.tradepartnership.com/pdf_...02jobstudy.pdf

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...uences/554690/
Duh. As you gain a more educated workforce, you move up the ladder from resource extraction. There's a reason Germany makes nice cars, yet mostly stopped mining for iron.
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Old 03-04-2018, 03:58 PM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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It's State management/control of the individual's right to trade with whomever he wishes without interference. It may not be absolute State control of the means of production, but it's barely one step away.
tariffs LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD

freetrade agreements and no tariffs are a form of socialism...you have it backwards
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:01 PM
 
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Complete rubbish we live in a country with many people who have similar needs. Fanatical individualism will lead to prosperity for a few and ruination for a majority.
We're headed for - if not living in - a new guilded age. Which was great right up to the Great Depression. But the ultra-rich will be fine - the rest will be either servants, potential organ donors or raw material for fertilizer.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:02 PM
 
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Agree. I hate Tariffs, however, we need to level the playing field in order to continue to survive economically. At some point the house of cards will collapse, and when our military is vulnerable, China, et al will act.

We need to go back to focusing on being producers again.
Is "leveling the playing field" not Socialism?
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