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Old 03-04-2018, 04:03 PM
 
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tariffs LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD

freetrade agreements and no tariffs are a form of socialism...you have it backwards
Dear Lord.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Complete rubbish we live in a country with many people who have similar needs. Fanatical individualism will lead to prosperity for a few and ruination for a majority.
People do not cooperate under the division of labor because they love or should love one another. They cooperate because this best serves their own interests. Neither love nor charity nor any other sympathetic sentiments but rightly understood selfishness is what originally impelled man to adjust himself to the requirements of society, to respect the rights and freedoms of his fellow men and to substitute peaceful collaboration for enmity and conflict."

Ludwig von Mises -- "Human Action"

Self-explanatory.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I love Bender. The first 80's high-school ancap.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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tariffs LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD

freetrade agreements and no tariffs are a form of socialism...you have it backwards
How is the State "leveling the playing field" by interfering in voluntary exchanges via tariffs (aka TAXES) and free-trade "agreements" capitalism?

How is the absence of State interference in voluntary exchanges socialism?
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Is "leveling the playing field" not Socialism?
It's Marxist.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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It's Marxist.
Yea how dare normal people get a little more. They need to stay in there place right?
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:19 PM
 
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Karl Marx advocated Free Trade, i.e. Capitalism, because (a) whereas Protection builds up the nation-state, Free Trade breaks it down, as a prelude to the creation of a world-state by the Capitalists (b) Free Trade breaks down traditional culture, as a prelude to the creation of a world culture (c) Free Trade exacerbates class warfare, and through this the Capitalists will lose control of the world-state - they will be defeated by the impoverished classes, with the help of their backers in the higher classes.

Marx quote: In a word, the Free Trade system hastens the Social Revolution. In this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, I am in favor of Free Trade.

Milton Friedman and Karl Marx on free trade

Milton Friedman and Karl Marx on free trade
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:20 PM
 
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"But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade."


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Old 03-04-2018, 04:23 PM
 
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The Constitution is meaningless. We don't get our rights from a piece of paper.

The right for an individual, or a group of individuals, to voluntarily exchange goods and services is an inherent Natural Right that cannot be interfered with by the State. It is yet another example of why the State is illegitimate and should not be allowed to exist.

Statism is cancer.
Without the Constitution, then it is theft to steal money from tax payers to protect Corporate Global interests.
The only reason we are half way across the world with our military and spend more than all countries combined is to protect their interests.
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Old 03-04-2018, 04:25 PM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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How is the State "leveling the playing field" by interfering in voluntary exchanges via tariffs (aka TAXES) and free-trade "agreements" capitalism?

How is the absence of State interference in voluntary exchanges socialism?
you can NOT have 'free-trade" unless all things are equal

so you are saying mexico paying 20/week is good for America, in which the median wage is 24/hr, is really free?

or are you for the socialist "get it cheap off of slave labor" paying THEM 20/week......

tariffs level the playing field....removing the tariffs(the freetrade agreements) screw American workers having THEIR JOBS outsourced


outsourcing started under carter...happened more under Reagan/bush1...increased drastically under Clinton, increased again under bush2..continued under Obama....all btw globalists who pushed these 'freetrade agreements'......
OUTSOURCING through NAFTA(and the other 2 dozen 'freetrade agreements)----------------originally pushed by Brzezinski and his liberal puppet carter,,moved along by Reagan's VP bush1----negotiated by another Brzezinski puppet bush1--- passed in 1993 by the democrat controlled congress, pushed by clinton, signed by clinton-inceased with CAFTA by bush2--the consequence ...... 60+ million HIGH PAYING jobs have been lost, 3 trillion worth of debt from the lost wages.(and Obama increased it too, not only as Senator Obama with OFTA, but also as potus Obama..............hmmm)

1. freetrade is not freemarket

2. we need the tariffs (that we HAD when we were the world leaders) back

3. these tariffs will HELP American steel, while tightening the foreign garbage steel market

4. we need the END of the globalist fascist liberal freetrade agreements that have killed the USA's markets...obozo even had one of those 'freetrade' agreements when he was a senator...with oman








at least trump is trying to bring back manufacturing...instead of riding the globalist wave that is destroying America's manufacturing
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