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Old 03-06-2018, 11:32 AM
 
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That miserable lie is getting so old...it's the gun grabbers who don't give a hoot about dead children. They only care about taking guns away...they dance on children's graves for the opportunity to make their case.

If it was REALLY about the children they'd go after the number one cause of death, then the second...not the eighth or tenth...
So unintentional injuries? Seriously, there is a huge campaign around teenage driving, which is the #1 cause of death, we dont say "they just need more practice" the clear solution is more driving, and faster cars, lets not have an age limit on driving, if kids started driving where they were 8 they would have a whole 4 years of practice before they become teenagers, I bet you the teenage motor vehicle accident rate would decrease.
As asinine as your commentary, the whole "think of the children" spiel is right up there, school shootings are rare, I dont know about anyone here, i sure dont worry about my kids being in an active shooter scenario, having said absolutely no excuse why we cant have mandatory background checks for all gun transactions, only because its your crappy kid it doesn't mean you can exempt him from a background check by giving him your gun.
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Old 03-06-2018, 11:36 AM
 
Location: United States
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The American people have been very clear, they do not support anti-gun legislation, so standing on the graves of children to push such agendas will only further strengthen the resolve of the people to resist theses immoral anti-gun groups.
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Old 03-06-2018, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I doubt it. Of the 10 people I know who own guns, 6 of them are a greater threat to themselves or various people they don't like for petty reasons than they are to any actual villians:
- 1 Klansman, brought a gun to work once, hates all the usual suspects
- 1 Old thug with similar beliefs as the Klansman. Also has an extremely violent son at home with a long rap sheet. He's proud of him, of course, "cuz he's like his old man!"
- 3 military or ex-military with deep depression issues, crumbling home lives, and a serious lack of money. Nothing could go wrong here.
- 1 high-functioning sociopath; intelligent, able to blend into society, but suffers from a stunning lack of empathy, enjoys picking on people who can't fight back, and considers everyone else "idiots." Again, nothing could go wrong here.
- The other 4 are various friends and family who have their act together.

Yeah, yeah - small sample size and all that, but 20 years of experience paints an extremely grim picture of gun owners based on the people I know. Even if we toss in 10 extra people among the people I know who have guns (which I don't know about) and no issues to drive them to violence, we'd still be talking about 30% of the people who probably shouldn't have guns, which is still appalling, but better than 60% I'm seeing today.

Your results may vary, of course, but too many people based on my experience buy guns for all the wrong reasons... or, they may start out with the RIGHT reasons, but life changes and the gun becomes a potential source of disasters, such as the now impoverished and depression-suffering ex-military people in the above list. I would place higher odds on most gun owners I know being the CAUSE of a mass-shooting than being some savior if the SHTF.
You know what they say about birds of a feather? Maybe it's about time you find a new circle of friends? After all you seem to know an awful lot about their personal lives and feelings towards others? I don't see how you could possibly know all that unless you've had a close personal relationship with them? Which begs the next question as to why you just didn't steer clear of them altogether?

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not believe anything you say about those people. That you're just making this all up in order to reinforce you're preconceived notions of who or what legitimate gun owners are really like. The same old crap that Liberals have been spouting ad nauseam for as long as I can remember towards their political adversaries. We've been labeled as "deplorables", "bitter clingers", "hicks", "cons", "Repukes", "RepubliKKKer's" the NRA being labeled a terrorist organization etc. You're just parroting them to a "T". In other word's you and others like you are just as bigoted toward's those who do not share your beliefs as any member of the Klan or any other hate group would be.

Pragmatic Progressives such as yourself have had no problems placing labels and accusations on those of us with whom you disagree. Yet you just can't seem to understand why so many of us are so vehemently against both you and your ideology? Your condescending attitude is certainly not going to win you over any converts, let alone be willing to even listen to what you have to say. Other than to dismiss it as the same old Left wing garbage.

I know an awful lot of Vietnam veterans, none of them are as you've described them. They've all raised families and gone on to lead very productive lives. Of all the ones I know they are all proud to have served their country with honor and distinction despite a very unpopular war. You see military veterans going about their daily business regularly while proudly wearing caps honoring their service. I don't blame them, they have nothing to be ashamed of. *Very few have ever gone on a mass shooting spree. You do a great disservice to them by wanting to strip them of a Constitutional right, just because some may have suffered from PTSD.

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*Several studies and data from the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics show no evidence that military veterans — including those who witnessed or waged combat in Iraq and Afghanistan — are more prone to lethal violence than the general population.

The specter of the “wacko” war veteran waiting to explode — built up over generations in movies and, according to some critics, in news coverage of crimes involving military vets — very rarely becomes reality, experts said.

“Combat veterans, on the whole, are not going to be lethally violent,” said Shoba Sreenivasan, a University of Southern California psychology professor who was the lead author of a 2013 paper examining the topic.

She noted that a small segment of combat veterans may be triggered to commit violence because of their battle experiences. These individuals often have mental or emotional issues other than war-related post-traumatic stress disorder.

“There are some people — a very tiny, tiny percentage — whose combat experience creates some mental instability, along with other factors like drugs and alcohol, that then may contribute to lethal violence stateside,” Sreenivasan said.---http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/military/veterans/sd-me-veterans-violence-20170109-story.html
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Old 03-06-2018, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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There is nothing wrong with law abiding citizens being "armed to the teeth" in this country. Nothing.

I live in Wyoming. You can't throw a rock in this state without hitting a gun owner. Everybody I know has a safe full of guns and the town we now live in is currently developing a school policy to arm trained employees (including teachers).

If you disagree with that policy contact your local school board. I am certain that they are grappling with the best way to secure their schools as well, and I am sure they would appreciate your feedback and input.
I now live in Arizona, thank God! It's the same here. Funny thing is that people aren't just blowing each other away over stupid little incidents. Same for Vermont.
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Old 03-06-2018, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Forget about gun owners, the VAST majority of people - any people - are fine. The vast majority of people aren't criminals, aren't violent, aren't drug addicts, aren't mentally ill.... etc. That you seem to think gun owners, in general, are somehow different than the general population would indicate that you have some level of phobia about guns and gun owners.
You've got to understand that Liberals think for some reason that they are above everyone. They have this condescending attitude towards others and it's up to them to show us the error of our ways for our own good. Their real motivation is not about crime it's about controlling the entire population and enslaving us to their socialist aristocracy. But they can't accomplish this as long as the United States remains a Constitutional Republic and is bound by Constitutional Law. To them the Constitution is a living breathing document that can be altered or even abolished at any given time by a simple majority, by legislative fiat or by legislating from the bench.
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Old 03-06-2018, 12:53 PM
 
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You've got to understand that Liberals think for some reason that they are above everyone.
How condescending of you.
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Old 03-06-2018, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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How condescending of you.
Struck a nerve, did I?
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Old 03-06-2018, 03:53 PM
 
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How condescending of you.

SNOWFLAKE alert....

Have you read some of your posts, just not in this thread, but others?
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Old 03-06-2018, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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I had the chance to read the WSJ this morning. It seems that the usual jump to purchase weapons after a shooting did not occur.

I doubt the spike occurred.
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Old 03-06-2018, 04:40 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Those kids died protecting the right to stock up on as many assault rifles as the right wing gun nuts see fit.
It was going to be an excellent selling point to market to the right crowd.
The left just mentions banning a firearm or firearm accessory and they fly off the shelves.
The left mentions hating the NRA, the NRA expands in growth.
Everything the Democrats touch turns to crap. People got the hint, when Trump made Obama look like a elementary school dropout.
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