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Old 03-08-2018, 11:59 AM
 
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This has been discussed before.. If you know NJ the property tax is high in all communities but typical higher in Republican ones. The bug issue is "home rule".
When I lived in NJ we had as many or more GOP Guvs than Dems....or at least moderates.

The county I lived in was solid 100% Republican. Taxes were/are off the chart and most of them are set by the party in charge (GOP, in this case). That is, they run the city councils, the county and the school districts.

It's the most densely populated state in the country and the NYC area probably contains some of the highest paying jobs in the country.

No way I would want to live there (we lived in semi-rural S. Jersey).....tho.

Who is the Guv now? Still C. Christie? Popular guy, eh?
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Old 03-08-2018, 12:05 PM
 
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When I lived in NJ we had as many or more GOP Guvs than Dems....or at least moderates.

The county I lived in was solid 100% Republican. Taxes were/are off the chart and most of them are set by the party in charge (GOP, in this case). That is, they run the city councils, the county and the school districts.

It's the most densely populated state in the country and the NYC area probably contains some of the highest paying jobs in the country.

No way I would want to live there (we lived in semi-rural S. Jersey).....tho.

Who is the Guv now? Still C. Christie? Popular guy, eh?
I grew up and lived there almost 40 years. Northern NJ. Been gone for close to twenty year but still have immediate family. I do not know who the new guv is. They at first liked Christie. Not so much now. Lol.
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Old 03-08-2018, 12:12 PM
 
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I don’t necessarily think his claim means what he says it means, but the effective property tax rate in Irvington IS higher than other parts of NJ. It is more than double the state average. It is not because it is democratic though. As I have said, it is because it is poor.

The property values are low, so the taxes as a percentage of property values are high.
I'm sure OP will be back, any moment now, with all the facts and figures.

I'm sure it's all a well-thought out analysis, and definitely not some bizarre nonsense they read on stormfront.
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Old 03-08-2018, 12:16 PM
 
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These areas are out of power today because the crumbling infrastructure is so bad that it can't deal with some snow.
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Old 03-08-2018, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Who is the Guv now? Still C. Christie? Popular guy, eh?
NJ elected a Democrat last year, Phil Murphy. Don't know much about him besides he is a rich guy who used to work for Goldman Sachs.
In NJ Democrats and Republicans are the same tax and spend types. The only difference is which companies get state contracts and kickbacks.
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Old 03-08-2018, 12:37 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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I see the last 8 years of a Republican Governor did a world of good for NJ.
Actually Christie did try and was probably better then any alternative at the time. Christie was able to help get a property tax cap passed by state lawmakers in Trenton. That property tax cap plus his um, "colorful personality", helped him to be intensely disliked by the teachers union.

But in any case, a Governor only has a limited ability to control local property taxes.
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Old 03-08-2018, 12:37 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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When I lived in NJ we had as many or more GOP Guvs than Dems....or at least moderates.

The county I lived in was solid 100% Republican. Taxes were/are off the chart and most of them are set by the party in charge (GOP, in this case). That is, they run the city councils, the county and the school districts.

It's the most densely populated state in the country and the NYC area probably contains some of the highest paying jobs in the country.

No way I would want to live there (we lived in semi-rural S. Jersey).....tho.

Who is the Guv now? Still C. Christie? Popular guy, eh?
Chris Christie’s property tax cap did slow the rate the property taxes have risen in the state. My property taxes were going up 5 or 6 percent every year under Corzine. They have been going up 2% since the property tax cap.

And it is not just me. Even the liberal, Christie-hating, NJ.COM said that this was the norm around the state in an article they published last week.
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Old 03-08-2018, 08:33 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Chris Christie’s property tax cap did slow the rate the property taxes have risen in the state. My property taxes were going up 5 or 6 percent every year under Corzine. They have been going up 2% since the property tax cap.

And it is not just me. Even the liberal, Christie-hating, NJ.COM said that this was the norm around the state in an article they published last week.
Actually, your taxes are probably going up a bit above 2%, because the teachers' and municipal workers' healthcare increases do not fall under the 2% cap. So if healthcare goes up 8% a year for all the public workers, your tax bill may go up to 3 or 4% as a result.

NJ get schlonged financially by its "home-town rule" philosophy, which means there are as many superintendents as deer, in the state. At about $200K apiece, that adds up! Couple that with reams of support staff (assistant to the assistant superintendent ...etc) and you can spend millions before you even get to teacher salaries and building and textbook costs!

North Carolina saves money by having a county-defined school system with one super per county and a lot less support staff. Of course, they overdo it when it comes to teacher salaries. In most of the smaller and poorer of NC's 100 counties, the starting salary is $35700 a year! Not only would you not be house hunting in Alpine or Short Hills on that salary, you'd have to pay extra for the standard cockroaches and the rats in your new Irvington apartment!
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Old 03-09-2018, 05:26 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Actually, your taxes are probably going up a bit above 2%, because the teachers' and municipal workers' healthcare increases do not fall under the 2% cap. So if healthcare goes up 8% a year for all the public workers, your tax bill may go up to 3 or 4% as a result.

NJ get schlonged financially by its "home-town rule" philosophy, which means there are as many superintendents as deer, in the state. At about $200K apiece, that adds up! Couple that with reams of support staff (assistant to the assistant superintendent ...etc) and you can spend millions before you even get to teacher salaries and building and textbook costs!

North Carolina saves money by having a county-defined school system with one super per county and a lot less support staff. Of course, they overdo it when it comes to teacher salaries. In most of the smaller and poorer of NC's 100 counties, the starting salary is $35700 a year! Not only would you not be house hunting in Alpine or Short Hills on that salary, you'd have to pay extra for the standard cockroaches and the rats in your new Irvington apartment!
Yes, I the same article said the state average under Christie was something like 2.2%, I am assuming because of the exemptions. In his defense though, he didn’t want the exemptions. He wanted a hard cap, but the assembly wouldn’t pass the bill without the exemptions.
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Old 03-09-2018, 07:33 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Yes, I the same article said the state average under Christie was something like 2.2%, I am assuming because of the exemptions. In his defense though, he didn’t want the exemptions. He wanted a hard cap, but the assembly wouldn’t pass the bill without the exemptions.
It got passed tho and that was important. Wonder if Murphy is going to get rid of it.

Odd how Christie just imploded in his last few years. NJEA was piling on, no doubt
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