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Old 03-13-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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I am appalled. Your argument seems to be that certain races cannot master mathematics or other skills, so don't waste the money trying to teach them these things.
Nationally-normed test scores do not lie.
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Old 03-13-2018, 01:56 PM
 
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so how would you deal with them? WE can't take a huge portion of our nation and make them all plumbers or electricians. so what is your solution for preparing a plurality of people to compete for jobs in the 21st century other than offering them a substandard education by design?
1) They're ALREADY getting a substandard education. Look at the NAEP results.

2) Preparing them for a vocational job is better than letting them fail altogether.
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:01 PM
 
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1) They're ALREADY getting a substandard education. Look at the NAEP results.

2) Preparing them for a vocational job is better than letting them fail altogether.

Again, you really love those figures you posted. So your answer is to throw the baby out with the bathwater huh? Yet you keep avoiding answering any question that flesh out your poorly thought policy.

What's funny is I fully support expanded vocational training, I just don't think you can force it on a plurality of our students. The world doesn't need that many plumbers/electricians. So you're left with a large number of people with no skills or higher education meant to compete on a world stage for jobs in the 21st century. how do you resolve this? Do you expand the welfare state like your Europe example, you seem to like their educations tracking, so maybe that's the answer? Is it tariffs? What is the answer here? You keep avoiding this line of questioning, most likely b/c this is where it gets hard.

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Old 03-13-2018, 02:04 PM
 
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Again, you really love those figures you posted. So your answer is to throw the baby out with the bathwater huh?
No. My solution is similar to Europe's. Continue to academically educate the very best, and shunt everyone else into vocational training.
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:09 PM
 
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No. My solution is similar to Europe's. Continue to academically educate the very best, and shunt everyone else into vocational training.
so you're just not going to answer the rest of the questions and pretend they don't exist. Got it. Seems about right for a Trumpster.
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:22 PM
 
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That federal "extra money" amounted to $1743 per disabled student per year in 2014 which in California amounted to 9% of the cost of a special ed student where it was calculated that special ed kids cost twice as much as other children.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/report/R_1116LHR.pdf
Children with disabilities have a lot of unfunded educational mandates. It's great that they are getting educational experiences and opportunities. Not so great that most of the funding is coming out of the education funds for all the children.
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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Nationally-normed test scores do not lie.
They also don't tell us that the people who have lower scores are unable to learn math, or other skills tested.
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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If the voucher deal gets going, every church, synagogue, temple, and mosque will be operating schools in the basement.

Some will be Jesuit-level education.

Others not so much.
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:29 PM
 
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so you're just not going to answer the rest of the questions and pretend they don't exist. Got it. Seems about right for a Trumpster.
Would it better to let most of them flounder, like they do now, impacting Hispanics and Blacks the worst?
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:31 PM
 
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They also don't tell us that the people who have lower scores are unable to learn math, or other skills tested.
That's where California steps in...

https://www.npr.org/2017/07/19/53809...bolish-algebra
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