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Discrimination against whites is perfectly acceptable in our society. There are even laws requiring it. It's amazing how far this once great nation is falling.
Yes, when I worked for college, they had a non-white hiring bias...of course they aren't racists. In the absence of integrity and fairness, our great nation is falling and other countries have taken notice. Heartbreaking for the younger ones, but glad I'm retired!
This is sad, but common. I believe the OP 100%. I had an similar experience with this. I worked for a black man once. All the employees (in the specific specialized job category) were white, but the employer was so intent on hiring a black person that when he finally got a resume that had membership in a black organization listed in the “extra” section, he called up the applicant and hired him sight-unseen. A few days later the guy shows up for the first day of work. You guessed it...he was white and only joined the black organization to increase his chances of being called for a job.
Ha...perfect, and unsurprisingly.
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Many cis-white males opt to teach urban youth for a variety of reasons. Most reasons tend not to be altruistic or of liberal proclivity.
You must bear in mind that any hint of possible misalignment with sex or gender when working with children is still often frowned upon by many educational administrators.
Do you really think that an African-American transperson would be preferred to a white cis-male?
Seriously?
I definitely believe an African-American transperson would be preferred to a white cis-male by this particular company.
Not to mention I have had NO problem getting interviews with private schools that know I'm trans. I've had three already that have advanced to second round, on-campus interviews. I was hired by two of the three that interviewed me and am not trying to choose between them. They know I'm a white trans man.
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I would have leaned to the "fake" guy too... and not because of some imaginary color issues either
It was for an associate teacher position
white resume: 3 years jumpstart, random summer camp jobs, random volunteer teaching, 10+ years of "freelancing"
black resume: 2 years of jump start and 1 summer camp
the "white" resume, looks like he is 13+ years out of college, and has been job hopping around and not building any real skills
the "black" resume, looks like he is fresh out of college, has "some" work experience, and is ready to be trained as an associate teacher
right, this is an associate teacher, they want new people to train, not someone that has a track record of job hopping and an outdated degree that is 13+ years old in which he hasn't build his way up to become at least an assistant professor yet if not better
Job hopping? 13+ years old resume? What the actual...? I'm a full-time college student right now. I'll be graduating with my BA -this- May. This would have been my first full-time entry level job. I worked for Jumpstart for 3 out of the 4 years I was at Berkeley. I worked for the same summer camp (Galileo) for three consecutive summers. And I've been tutoring in my free time since I was in middle school (started charging when I got to college, but volunteered to tutor elementary students when I was in middle school.) So how on earth do you qualify that as job hopping?
I guess I should take it as a compliment, and a sign that my resume looks extremely accomplished, that you assume it's that of a person that should be an assistant professor if not better though.
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you know for an "experiment", it's a pretty lousy one when you change EVERY SINGLE VARIABLE, then you claim it was one variable that changed the results
Uh, I changed all the variables to make the black applicant worse than me, to prove that they don't care about merit, experience, and accomplishment, but ONLY about race. So it was a successful experiment indeed. DeAndre and I have very similar work experience, but his is all inferior to mine, which proves my point perfectly.
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This is what I was thinking as well. It was a poorly done experiment.
They specifically ask on the application if you received a Pell Grant for college, as well as asking "why would you want to work with low-income students?" as a supplementary question.
Yep, exact same job posting. Proving they were outright lying in their email to me when they said they "went with a different candidate more suited to the position." I already knew that was a lie though because this is for an Associate Teaching "Corps", which means there are multiple openings.
Both. I specified it in both cover letters, but it was also asked, and "race" was asked twice on the actual application.
Not yet, but I'm super tempted to. I just don't want to get into any legal trouble myself for submitting a fake application.
It's not a fake application if you claim to feel 'black inside', i.e. are trans-color.
And it's not illegal to use an alias except in an attempt to defraud.
And lying, except under oath or on legal documents like tax forms, is quite legal..especially on job apps!
The rest of your application was, despite the understatements and omissions, true.
How incredibly interesting that the usual replies of "they can hire whoever they want, get over it, stop crying, life isn't fair" etc etc are conspicuously absent from this thread.
Uh, I changed all the variables to make the black applicant worse than me...
That's not how you test for something like this.
You leave all the variables the same EXCEPT THE ONE you want to test. In this case, you should have kept them all the same except race.
You need to let this go. Just keep applying, and mine your school's job counseling center for leads. Did you not do student teaching? You should have network contacts through that experience who know you and your track record.
It's not a fake application if you claim to feel 'black inside', i.e. are trans-color.
And it's not illegal to use an alias except in an attempt to defraud.
And lying, except under oath or on legal documents like tax forms, is quite legal..especially on job apps!
The rest of your application was, despite the understatements and omissions, true.
Lol...you make some good points, my friend.
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How incredibly interesting that the usual replies of "they can hire whoever they want, get over it, stop crying, life isn't fair" etc etc are conspicuously absent from this thread.
Maybe because this is a crystal clear case of race being favored over meritocracy. But if it had been reverse, a less-qualified white applicant getting an interview over a more qualified black applicant, you know there would be an uproar, that is also largely absent from this thread.
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That's not how you test for something like this.
You leave all the variables the same EXCEPT THE ONE you want to test. In this case, you should have kept them all the same except race.
That would be impossible without making it super obvious that it's the same person applying. Besides that, having a black applicant with -less- experience, from a -lesser- ranked university, with a -lower- GPA, and -worse- cover letter and essays get an interview over the white opposite drives home the racism even more than if it had been the same application except for race.
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You need to let this go. Just keep applying, and mine your school's job counseling center for leads. Did you not do student teaching? You should have network contacts through that experience who know you and your track record.
I already got two job offers at private schools that I'm trying to decide between, so it's not a matter of that. It's just that this is blatant racism, discriminatory hiring practices, and is important for people to see, when so many people truly truly believe that systemic racism runs rampant in every aspect of society, that POC have a harder time getting jobs, that less qualified white applicants steal their spots, and other nonsense like that.
That would be impossible without making it super obvious that it's the same person applying.
Exactly.
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Besides that, having a black applicant with -less- experience, from a -lesser- ranked university, with a -lower- GPA, and -worse- cover letter and essays get an interview over the white opposite drives home the racism even more than if it had been the same application except for race.
I already got two job offers at private schools that I'm trying to decide between...
When I took education courses for SPED certification at a nearby college, one of the professors stated that "there are too many white teachers" and talked about how this was a "problem" in our education system. But I don't see anyone trying to prevent minorities from becoming teachers.
They specifically ask on the application if you received a Pell Grant for college, as well as asking "why would you want to work with low-income students?" as a supplementary question.
Yep, exact same job posting. Proving they were outright lying in their email to me when they said they "went with a different candidate more suited to the position." I already knew that was a lie though because this is for an Associate Teaching "Corps", which means there are multiple openings.
Both. I specified it in both cover letters, but it was also asked, and "race" was asked twice on the actual application.
Not yet, but I'm super tempted to. I just don't want to get into any legal trouble myself for submitting a fake application.
Why don't you appeal it? You don't have to say you submitted the fake application, tell them a friend of yours applied. Or, better yet, contact LAMDA
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