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Old 03-18-2018, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The LA riots took place for a reason. Instead of focusing on firearms, we need to place greater emphasis upon developing and training a more knowledgeable, diverse, intelligent, and socially educated police force.

For centuries, racist and overtly aggressive scumbags have unfairly targeted members of minority communities. That especially goes for the African-American community. These wayward rogue c cops give law enforcement a bad name and erode civilian confidence of LE in general. We need to do a much better job vetting police and LE officers in general. Once we've done that, I can assure you, race riots initiated by blacks will be a thing of the past.

Watch the Rodney King beating on youtube, then ask yourself, "How in the world could those cops ever be acquitted?"...

It wasn't the beating that caused the riots, iy was the lack of judicial balance and absence of justice that caused the riots.

That decision to acquit brought out the very worse in just about everyone in the black community.

They were all justifiably outraged and furious!
Yes, individuals chose to break the non-aggression principle and riot.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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In a civil and just society there should never be any reason to raise arms against fellow countrymen.

American citizenry should be receiving a truthful and enriched education concerning our history, our laws, and civility.
And in what utopia is this happening?

I think this liberal feminist has the perfect explanation as to why guns are necessary:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MYU5Pipl1E
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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The LA riots took place for a reason. Instead of focusing on firearms, we need to place greater emphasis upon developing and training a more knowledgeable, diverse, intelligent, and socially educated police force.

For centuries, racist and overtly aggressive scumbags have unfairly targeted members of minority communities. That especially goes for the African-American community. These wayward rogue c cops give law enforcement a bad name and erode civilian confidence of LE in general. We need to do a much better job vetting police and LE officers in general. Once we've done that, I can assure you, race riots initiated by blacks will be a thing of the past.

Watch the Rodney King beating on youtube, then ask yourself, "How in the world could those cops ever be acquitted?"...

It wasn't the beating that caused the riots, iy was the lack of judicial balance and absence of justice that caused the riots.

That decision to acquit brought out the very worse in just about everyone in the black community.

They were all justifiably outraged and furious!
What? There's no justification to engage violence UNLESS you are at the imminent peril of either death or gravely bodily harm.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:49 PM
 
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The poverty rate is actually worse than it was at the time of the riots in that area. Adding tons of illegal immigrants who will work for next to nothing hasnt exaclty helped wages.


L.A. Poverty and Unemployment Rates Have Increased Since the Riots | L.A. Weekly
The riots didn’t happen because of poverty.
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What? There's no justification to engage violence UNLESS you are at the imminent peril of either death or gravely bodily harm.
That’s nonsense.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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The LA riots took place for a reason. Instead of focusing on firearms, we need to place greater emphasis upon developing and training a more knowledgeable, diverse, intelligent, and socially educated police force.

For centuries, racist and overtly aggressive scumbags have unfairly targeted members of minority communities. That especially goes for the African-American community. These wayward rogue c cops give law enforcement a bad name and erode civilian confidence of LE in general. We need to do a much better job vetting police and LE officers in general. Once we've done that, I can assure you, race riots initiated by blacks will be a thing of the past.

Watch the Rodney King beating on youtube, then ask yourself, "How in the world could those cops ever be acquitted?"...

It wasn't the beating that caused the riots, iy was the lack of judicial balance and absence of justice that caused the riots.

That decision to acquit brought out the very worse in just about everyone in the black community.

They were all justifiably outraged and furious!


Absolutely. Not being black, it is impossible for us to walk in their shoes. Yes, they do some things wrong occasionally, but they are also treated like criminals from the git go a lot of times too.
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Old 03-18-2018, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Heart of the desert lands
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In a civil and just society there should never be any reason to raise arms against fellow countrymen.
This utopian ideal you have is disconnected from reality.



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I can assure you, that whenever it is finally demonstrated in a consistent manner that African-Americans receive fair and equitable treatment across the board within this country, you'll never observe any type of mass civil unrest reminiscent of the LA riots, Ferguson, Watts, or anything other riotous example.
More utopian nonsense.

Rioting for just cause is one thing.

Opportunistic looting, theft, arson, rape and assault is not about showing righteous fury. It's just crime. See Ferguson, Missouri history for a lesson.

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Whatever the case maybe, firearms are NOT the answer. Why should they be when it's so much easier just to treat people fairly?

People have a right to defend themselves, regardless of your opinion.


A firearm would have been the best answer for Reginald Denny He could have defended himself with lethal force against Damien Williams, Henri Watson and Antoine Miller. Many Korean business owners also found it the best answer, out of necessity against looters and other criminals.
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Old 03-18-2018, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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What? There's no justification to engage violence UNLESS you are at the imminent peril of either death or gravely bodily harm.
Correct.

And that's self-defense.
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Old 03-18-2018, 04:10 PM
 
Location: USA
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And, again, nobody is saying "ban all guns."

Explain to me what part of "defending yourself from a riot" = "anybody should be allowed to own whatever gun they want."

THAT is what is being discussed - the loopholes in background checks, the near-military grade weapons, the mentally ill with firearms, etc.

Riots are an exception to the rule, and can be used to justify anything from military guns to owning your own tank. None of that is par for the course. You don't make general laws about corner-case exceptions, otherwise you have no laws.

I'm damn tired of righties coming up with rare crap like "what if a gang of mutant bikers attacks you and they are immune to revolvers?!" Clearly, that's why we all need military weapons! Whatever...
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Old 03-18-2018, 05:06 PM
 
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In a civil and just society there should never be any reason to raise arms against fellow countrymen.

American citizenry should be receiving a truthful and enriched education concerning our history, our laws, and civility.

Whenever systemic flaws within our justice system are recognized, they should be eliminated in an expedient fashion. People should not feel compelled to "take to the streets" within any modern civilized society.

I can assure you, that whenever it is finally demonstrated in a consistent manner that African-Americans receive fair and equitable treatment across the board within this country, you'll never observe any type of mass civil unrest reminiscent of the LA riots, Ferguson, Watts, or anything other riotous example.

Whatever the case maybe, firearms are NOT the answer. Why should they be when it's so much easier just to treat people fairly?
The problem with this being............every ones idea of what is "fair" is different.
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Old 03-18-2018, 05:31 PM
 
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Yes, individuals chose to break the non-aggression principle and riot.
Yes, but what about racist and overtly aggressive police who routinely brutalize and murder unarmed and cooperating citizens within their own communities.
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