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Old 03-21-2018, 02:03 PM
 
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I suppose if I truly love freedom, I should submit formal notices to City Hall, Dallas County, Austin, and Washington DC as appropriate for each governing entity, declare my property and fully independent and completely sovereign nation. Naturally I would renounce citizenship of all said jurisdictions. My nation will be that of [my Surname]ia.

Seriously, if I'm to agree with lifeexplorers claims, declaring yourself a one-person and one-lot nation is the necessary outcome of what he proposes (or if you're lucky enough to own the following, farmland,ranchland, etc. large enough to be self-sufficient in food).

Even assuming this wild speculation does come to pass, it would turn the land formerly known as the USA into hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of independent countries warring with each other. There's a reason the 19th Century German and Italian mini-nations united.
If we can do that without being shot, we would have done that long time ago.
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Old 03-21-2018, 02:06 PM
 
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You need to reread the 16th Amendment. If you live in this country, you are subject to the Constitution.

https://constitutioncenter.org/inter.../amendment-xvi

If you want rights without responsibilty, you are proposing anarchy. That's not how we do things here.
Just because it’s a law, it doesn’t mean it’s moral, just or fair. Slavery used to be a law.

I am not proposing anarchy. Government has a crucial role to enforce the law and protect our liberty.
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Old 03-21-2018, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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I can’t find one thing about socialism is not evil.
If you can, please name one.

It looks like you can’t either.
I totally can, it helps people of lesser means to actually have a chance to survive
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Old 03-21-2018, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Just because it’s a law, it doesn’t mean it’s moral, just or fair. Slavery used to be a law.

I am not proposing anarchy. Government has a crucial role to enforce the law and protect our liberty.
Then how does government function in the scheme you want? Do public workers work for free in your dream world?
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Old 03-21-2018, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Then how does government function in the scheme you want? Do public workers work for free in your dream world?
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Old 03-21-2018, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I can’t find one thing about socialism is not evil.
If you can, please name one.

It looks like you can’t either.
You are a master of the circular conversation, answering questions with questions so you either never have to commit to anything or admit you don't have anything to add except your own unexamined opinions.

You made a claim, that Democratic Socialism is evil. Either support it with facts, or I call bull****.
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Old 03-21-2018, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Just because it’s a law, it doesn’t mean it’s moral, just or fair. Slavery used to be a law.

I am not proposing anarchy. Government has a crucial role to enforce the law and protect our liberty.
If you don't like the law, get it changed. If you dont like America, find a country where they don't assess taxes for anything.

Good luck with that. A persecution complex is not a suitable substitute for citizenship.
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Old 03-21-2018, 04:57 PM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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I'm guessing a VAT and sales tax alone source of funding would require at least double the taxes.

Sales taxes are regressive - meaning they fall most heavily on the poor, the ones who can least afford to pay those taxes.

That is why there is an income tax, it falls more heavily on those who CAN afford to pay it. Same thing with inheritance taxes.

Beyond this, wealth inevitably creates power imbalances in a society. So with your proposal, wealth (translates into power) will concentrate in the elite, the exact same situation that exists in the USA now-- only *much* worse. So as ironic as it sounds (especially to you), slowing down the rate of wealth growth for people who already have a fairly hefty amount of it (and especially more than "fairly hefty" amounts) actually safeguards freedom for all. So wealth redistribution ultimately is a way to keep the wealthy from becoming so powerful that their voices drown out the poor and even middle class.
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Old 03-21-2018, 05:32 PM
 
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Then how does government function in the scheme you want? Do public workers work for free in your dream world?
For the thousands of times, sales or vat taxes!
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Old 03-21-2018, 05:34 PM
 
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I totally can, it helps people of lesser means to actually have a chance to survive
By robbing from the people who have money? How is that remotely moral?
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