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Right no one has ever died under a capitalist regime! Oh wait...
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer
Who in their right mind would post this horsecrap?
They are obviously being willfully obtuse on several levels. Aside from who knows which countries that are supposedly capitalist that those figures (if real) came from, it is not representative of modern western capitalist countries.
But more importantly, my comment about how communist governments were responsible for incredible numbers of deaths, of their citizens, was based on people being intentionally exterminated.
Capitalism is the engine responsible for making America the powerful country in human history with the ability to feed more people, eradicate disease, respond to natural disasters, etc., etc., etc.
Even liberal people like Bono who use to rail against the greed of capitalism has now seen the light;
I pay sales, income and property taxes and receive no welfare.
What’s yours?
Your strategy of slightly changing the subject every response does not work on me. You also didn't answer the question, so lets cut that smug **** off, shall we?
Why does paying taxes mean you are "obligated" to do... anything? Why just taxes? Noting that poor people do still pay sales tax on most things, and likely indirectly pay property tax through rent. The idea that poor people somehow exist off the grid because they receive welfare is as absurd as your defintion (which is of course nonsense sense language is not subjective) of slavery and conservative.
To answer your question: nothing but my personal desire to do so. This is what "obligates" (quite authoritarian from someone who is presumably a libertarian) me to care for my fellow countrymen and my community. I believe it is in the best interest of us all to care for one another and to cooperate. There are many ways to contribute, and I don't believe any one is necessarily better or worse.
Your strategy of slightly changing the subject every response does not work on me. You also didn't answer the question, so lets cut that smug **** off, shall we?
Why does paying taxes mean you are "obligated" to do... anything? Why just taxes? Noting that poor people do still pay sales tax on most things, and likely indirectly pay property tax through rent. The idea that poor people somehow exist off the grid because they receive welfare is as absurd as your defintion (which is of course nonsense sense language is not subjective) of slavery and conservative.
To answer your question: nothing but my personal desire to do so. This is what "obligates" (quite authoritarian from someone who is presumably a libertarian) me to care for my fellow countrymen and my community. I believe it is in the best interest of us all to care for one another and to cooperate. There are many ways to contribute, and I don't believe any one is necessarily better or worse.
Pay for your own compassion with your own money please.
It’s immoral to force others to pay for your compassion.
Communism and socialism are economic systems, not political ones. To communism’s founder Karl Marx, history is about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, while economics is about the middle class (bourgeoise) and nobility exploiting the working class, namely by paying the worker less for his or her labor than the actual value of goods and services the worker produced, in effect stealing part of the workers’ labors and paying them just enough to survive. Marx’s solution was to abolish all private ownership of property and have the workers own the means of production (farms, mines, forests, factories, transport lines, and any item that can produce wealth for the owner). In short, communism centers on who owns the means of production.
Laws regulating property privately is not of who owns the land. It’s a matter of regulating human behavior, more of a public policy matter than an economic one. Therefore, communism does not cover such matters. Nor does it cover taxes, what we pay in order to maintain a police force, legal system, and military in order to protect society from threats to it (invading armies and criminals). It also includes funding public goods that the private sector could never hope to accomplish well on its own, if at all (roads, bridges, dams, rural electrification, etc.).
Again, this is not a question of who owns what, at least outside the geographic range of the project (the government could always declare imminent domain over a property IF the owner is justly compensated). It is a question of our individual obligations to society (promote mutual security, mutual obligations to help fund projects which neither individuals, nor the private sector could ever develop on their own, but yet are considered vital for even minimal functioning of all members of a society).
In short, once the question shifts from outright ownership of wealth-creating properties and to our obligations to fund police, military, and mutually helping each other fund needed projects beyond the ability of the private sector to do so, it’s not about communism any more.
Communism killed millions for not wanting to be a poor as their neighbor was. It's a broken system.
Pay for your own compassion with your own money please.
It’s immoral to force others to pay for your compassion.
You've still not answered the question and at this point, I can only assume it's becasue you can't. What is the relationship between taxation and obligation to society that you keep claiming exists?
I know arguing in cliches is easier, but I'm not willing to accept it. I find it lazy and unbecoming. If you can't answer is, say so and at least I might have some level of respect for you.
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