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Old 03-18-2018, 04:53 PM
 
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To add more on this confusion, a quote attributed to Lenin

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The goal of socialism is communism.
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Old 03-18-2018, 05:04 PM
 
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Capitalism has no force initiation. It's all consensual.
Says who?

It's a misconception of course ( as much as American/European capitalism has evolved.)
However the bottom line of capitalism is still the same - there is enough of hungry people around, being ready to sell their labor.
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Old 03-18-2018, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Says who?

It's a misconception of course ( as much as American/European capitalism has evolved.)
However the bottom line of capitalism is still the same - there is enough of hungry people around, being ready to sell their labor.
Says logic.

You are probably thinking capitalism has ever existed. It hasn't.

You can't have capitalism under an involuntary statist paradigm.
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Old 03-18-2018, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Hey I'm not the one who claimed that no coercion exists in capitalism just pointing out that point is a lie.
There is no force in capitalism. Once force is initiated it is socialism...what we have.
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Old 03-18-2018, 05:19 PM
 
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To add more on this confusion, a quote attributed to Lenin
Had to look this one up.

So here it goes - "... in his work "State and Revolution" Lenin wrote;" What is usually referred to as "Socialism," Marx identified as the "first" or lowest stage of Communism.""
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Old 03-18-2018, 05:22 PM
 
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Says logic.

You are probably thinking capitalism has ever existed. It hasn't.

You can't have capitalism under an involuntary statist paradigm.
Oh but it did, if to believe this particular definition -

Capitalism
an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
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Old 03-18-2018, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Oh but it did, if to believe this particular definition -

Capitalism
an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
I don't know how an involuntary State would stay out of the affairs of private citizens as they form contractual agreements but I'd be open to hearing your theory. Plus that State could never own any property either.
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Old 03-18-2018, 06:09 PM
 
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I don't know how an involuntary State would stay out of the affairs of private citizens as they form contractual agreements but I'd be open to hearing your theory.
Elaborate your statement please, so that you'd hear my theory)))


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Plus that State could never own any property either.
Looking at you *location,* I am utterly surprised to hear that)))
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Old 03-18-2018, 06:11 PM
 
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Are hundreds of millions of people enslaved and killed under this definition of communism too?
Fewer than capitalism.
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Old 03-18-2018, 06:23 PM
 
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I said a capitalist system can exist within a brutal regime as they are independent of each other. But of course the argument would come down to about how capitalist the system was, but still will be about who owns the means of production.
Name one please.
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