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Old 03-18-2018, 01:06 PM
 
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How the Watergate crisis eroded public support for Richard Nixon | Pew Research Center


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In the spring of 1974, despite the indictment of top former White House aides, and Nixon’s release of what were seen as “heavily edited” transcripts of tapes of his aides plotting to get White House enemies, the public was still divided over what to do about the president. For example, by June, 44% in the Gallup Poll thought he should be removed from office, while 41% disagreed.


Only in early August, following the House Judiciary Committee’s recommendation in July that Nixon be impeached and the Supreme Court’s decision that he surrender his audio tapes, did a clear majority – 57% – come to the view that the president should be removed from office.


But once he was gone, the Americans were not quick to forgive and forget. In September, a 58% majority said Nixon should be tried for possible criminal charges. And they took the view that he should not be let off the hook easily, if found guilty. By a margin of 53% to 38%, the public thought that President Ford should not pardon Nixon, if he was found guilty.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:09 PM
 
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Nixon only went down because he was a conservative. The press would have never gone after a liberal. That's just fact.
Actually, it was the Republicans who finally sat Nixon down and told him there was enough evidence that they were going to vote to both impeach and convict him.

There was just an overwhelming burden of proof that he obstructed justice.

What did Nixon in though, was not the Watergate break in. It was the fact that he lied, covered up, tried to discredit the DOJ investigation, tried to threaten the FBI, fired investigators, and kept calling the investigation a "witch hunt."

If he had just come out and said, "I fully support getting to the bottom of all of this and the people responsible" and then let the investigators do their job, he might have survived.

Assuming, of course, he really did not know anything about the Watergate break in before it happened.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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The crook that really should have been investigated was LBJ. However, he belonged to the correct political tribe and that never happened. https://www.irishcentral.com/news/ja...0093-237788131
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:14 PM
 
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I voted for Nixon in 72 and he won in a huge landslide.

tRump "won" after losing the vote by 3 million.

Nixon's scandal was fully covered in the press. Hearings were open and the public wasn't kept in the dark by hyperpartisans trying to cover his tracks. Nixon also lacked a hard right media working overtime to spread disinformation.

So, even though tRump is less popular than Nixon was then, he has some important advantages allowing him to hang in there for awhile longer.

Back in '73-74, as more revelations became public the clamor for his resignation/impeachment continued to grow until he and congress couldn't withstand the tide of public opinion.

Today, we're being kept in the dark and pinheads among us listen to the "no collusion, no obstruction" baloney and swallow it whole.

Their number is dwindling and will be completely shoved aside when findings are finally made public.


Russia meddling in our election. The United States meddling in elections all around the planet. What is the freaking difference? And the Russians were doing as much meddling for Clinton as they were for Trump. If Clinton won would Mueller's investigation being going on trying to uncover Hillary's collusion with them? We aren't all stupid.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:14 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I disliked Nixon for his failure to get us quickly out of the hellhole of Vietnam after he took office and wouldn't have minded had they hung him by what ever cojones he may have possessed. I don't think he had anywhere near the cult-like following Trump has today which I can only attribute the the power of realityTV and his talent as a con-man, the ability to lie.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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The crook that really should have been investigated was LBJ. However, he belonged to the correct political tribe and that never happened. https://www.irishcentral.com/news/ja...0093-237788131
Not a fan of the Civil Rights Act?
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:25 PM
 
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Actually, it was the Republicans who finally sat Nixon down and told him there was enough evidence that they were going to vote to both impeach and convict him.

There was just an overwhelming burden of proof that he obstructed justice.

What did Nixon in though, was not the Watergate break in. It was the fact that he lied, covered up, tried to discredit the DOJ investigation, tried to threaten the FBI, fired investigators, and kept calling the investigation a "witch hunt."

If he had just come out and said, "I fully support getting to the bottom of all of this and the people responsible" and then let the investigators do their job, he might have survived.

Assuming, of course, he really did not know anything about the Watergate break in before it happened.
You proved my point. Nixon went down because he was a conservative. The press went after him for this reason and republicans eat their own in times of crisis. If a liberal did the same thing, the media, which was entirely liberal in those days, would not have gone after a liberal nor would the democrats in the senate and house have turned on him.

It took a conservative, Matt Drudge, to break the Monica Lewinsky story because the liberal media could care less. But, in Nixon's day, there was no Matt Drudge.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:27 PM
 
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You proved my point. Nixon went down because he was a conservative. ...
Uhhhh ... no.
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:31 PM
 
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Nixon only went down because he was a conservative. The press would have never gone after a liberal. That's just fact.

No, he went down because he believed himself above the law.

"Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal." _____ Richard M Nixon
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Old 03-18-2018, 01:33 PM
 
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No, he went down because he believed himself above the law.

"Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal." _____ Richard M Nixon
Taken right from the small brain of trump.
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