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Old 03-20-2018, 09:45 AM
 
Location: My House
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And if you are the employer/landlord, by all means, use your own personal criteria for forming associations. Why should other employers/landlords not b allowed to apply their on criteria?
I'm not saying they cannot use whatever information that they have. I'm saying that the system is set up to give far more access to people's information than I feel should be allowable by law in the first place.
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:46 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I don't think anybody are saying employees should not be given the freedom of choice. But you seem to believe that ALL people with criminal records should be punished for life. Kind of harsh in my opinion.
Committing a crime that appears on one's criminal record is a CHOICE. Don't like the consequences of such a CHOICE? Don't commit the crime. Or, alternatively, rely on those who CHOOSE to employ those with criminal records.

Again... the operative word is... CHOICE.
 
Old 03-20-2018, 09:48 AM
 
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Plenty of them had no clue.
How is that even possible with the MSM hammering on it 24/7?
 
Old 03-20-2018, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Committing a crime that appears on one's criminal record is a CHOICE. Don't like the consequences of such a CHOICE? Don't commit the crime. Or, alternatively, rely on those who CHOOSE to employ those with criminal records.

Again... the operative word is... CHOICE.
well, lol

some people's credit will easily be ruined by a medical bill or a bad divorce. I am glad I don't have to deal with either one, but life is unpredictable. So don't think I can really judge.

My brother is a criminal defense attorney. I think SOME people are above the law. I really do. Poor people are not. So this whole "choice" thing only takes place in an ideal world. Bottom line, I don't judge.

I said it earlier, I wouldn't have hired people I don't know. But my family has hired people with criminal records, and they have been the best employees and they are also friends. I don't think they all need to be punished for life. come on now.

Plus, In some states, once sealed or expunged, all records of an arrest and/or subsequent court case are removed from the public record, and the individual may legally deny or fail to acknowledge ever having been arrested for or charged with any crime which has been expunged.

SOMETIMES,
You can even pay to get your criminal records removed if you are willing to pay.

Some people DO deserve a second chance. Not all should be punished for life. But hey, if you don't want to hire them, that is fine too. I don't judge either. It all depends on YOUR comfort level.
 
Old 03-20-2018, 09:49 AM
 
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I'm not saying they cannot use whatever information that they have. I'm saying that the system is set up to give far more access to people's information than I feel should be allowable by law in the first place.
So you favor a system whereby people can hide their truths in order to trick employers/landlords into associations? Any other limitations we should place on employers and landlords with regard to THEIR PROPERTY?
 
Old 03-20-2018, 09:49 AM
 
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I've been bonded a good many times, too. I'm fine with bonded positions requiring background checks.

If they are not bonded, it seems odd to be so restrictive.
Well, then that limits them to minimum wage jobs, so there you go.
 
Old 03-20-2018, 09:53 AM
 
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well, lol

some people's credit will easily ruined by a medical bill or a bad divorce.
I disagree. Medical bills do not ruin one's credit unless one doesn't make the payments medical facilities/providers are willing to offer. After all, they'd rather get some payment a little at a time than none at all.

As to a "bad divorce"... Does one not CHOOSE the person they marry? Again... that's a consequence of one's own CHOICE.
 
Old 03-20-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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well, lol

some people's credit will easily ruined by a medical bill or a bad divorce. I am glad I haven't to deal with either one, but life is unpredictable. So don't think I can really judge.
And misfortune still does not place obligation on others to help that person rehabilitate their credit. We are talking about the property of others, and nobody actually has a right to other people's property.

But on those two examples - medical bills and divorce causing financial issues are combination of failure to prepare and making bad choices. That's a harsh reality, but reality nonetheless. It is not the job of society to rescue people from their own lack of preparation and bad choices, nor should associations be forced or formed under false/hidden pretense in order to minimize the consequences for the individual and maximize the risk of those with whom they associate.

Again though, if you are a landlord/employer and you truly believe as you do, then by all means, don't check backgrounds, don't check credit, and form your associations however you please. Just don't demand a rule that says everyone else must follow your beliefs in the forming of their associations.
 
Old 03-20-2018, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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As to a "bad divorce"... Does one not CHOOSE the person they marry? Again... that's a consequence of one's own CHOICE.
well, I am happily engaged to a wonderful man, but I am not naive (not implying you are) enough to believe that life will be perfect in the future.

Like I said, I don't judge.

If you do, go ahead. I've already said, it all depends on your own comfort level. If you don't want to hire them, don't hire them.

It is obvious you have strong opinions about this. lol
 
Old 03-20-2018, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Again though, if you are a landlord/employer and you truly believe as you do, then by all means, don't check backgrounds, don't check credit, and form your associations however you please. Just don't demand a rule that says everyone else must follow your beliefs in the forming of their associations.
no one said they shouldn't. Like I said (third time) it all depends on your own comfort level.
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