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When your thread hits 100 post lets look back on this subject and analyze it then.
So most of the people in the discussion think you are wrong, and the poll results are nearly 2:1 in favor of Obama over Trump. But sure, you know more than everyone else, you've shown us with your intellect.
Analyzing the discussion or the poll results does not help you.
View Poll Results: Who was right?
Neither were right, they were both wrong 20 23.81%
Trump was right, Obama was wrong 23 27.38%
Obama was right, Trump was wrong 39 46.43%
They were both right in what they said, neither was wrong 2 2.38%
Voters: 84. You have already voted on this poll
Trump can't even turn a screwdriver let alone think further ahead than the next strip club.
Anything we build using our common money and intelligence (the internet for example, as well as interstate highways, space stations and MUCH more) falls under Obama's words.
One wonders why an age-old saying that anyone (of reason and logic) agrees with is suddenly political? Maybe....because a black guy said it, eh?
Note "We all stand on the shoulders of Giants" is the long term equiv. of what Obama said....or on a more local level, "it takes a village" or "it takes a country", etc.
There is no human being in the USA with a decent life who doesn't depend on vast amounts of others intelligence and hard world. This includes both former generations and people living now.
How could there be any question about this? This is yet another issue where the Right went "off the rails". Speaking of rails, the Federal Gubment was largely responsible for the transcontinental RR. But that's just the beginning. They organized the telegraph system, navigation, roads, GPS, control of flooding in most of the country, electric generation and much much more.
Ever hear of the TVA? Hoover Dam? You didn't build that.
So far, according to Historians, Trump is #45 out of 45 - meaning he hasn't built much.....alone. He did build a bunch of lies, which have created great income for comedians and for many media outlets. So give credit where it is due. Our nation may be falling behind but at least some money is being made by cartoonists.
...the Federal Gubment was largely responsible for the transcontinental RR. But that's just the beginning. They organized the telegraph system, navigation, roads, GPS, control of flooding in most of the country, electric generation and much much more.
And not a single thing you listed couldn't have been done far more quickly, cheaply, and more efficiently by the private sector. For example:
The Transcontinental Railroad was a blatant example of crony capitalism. Not only did it outright steal land from Native American tribes, it went bankrupt twice and sunk the Grant administration.
The Great Northern Railroad was built entirely with private money on privately purchased land, by a self-made businessman--James J. Hill. Not only that, the line was profitable from the very beginning.
Correct and under Obama we doubled the debt, screwed the health care system for his "legacy", had record levels of people on food stamps, large loss of influence around the world, needlessly escalated the war in Afghanistan killing Americans for nothing, most divisive president ever splitting the country further apart, something liberal media has continued with. Honest historians, not pseudo intellectual liberals, won't rate Obama any better than a mediocre president.
Obama was a Big Statist, whose statement revealed that perfectly. USSR's 5 year plans would have been a like mindset to Obama.
Trump recognizes the US Private Sector is the only US productive center.
Trump is a Statist too, bud.
-His tariffs are State-managed, centrally-planned economics.
-He wants a $1.5 trillion infrastructure bill, which is pure crony corporatism.
-His opioid plan is anti free-market, anti-freedom, and benefits the State.
Correct and under Obama we doubled the debt, screwed the health care system for his "legacy", had record levels of people on food stamps, large loss of influence around the world, needlessly escalated the war in Afghanistan killing Americans for nothing, most divisive president ever splitting the country further apart, something liberal media has continued with. Honest historians, not pseudo intellectual liberals, won't rate Obama any better than a mediocre president.
He was terrible, no doubt. But just as Obama was a continuation of Bush, for the most part Trump is a continuation of Obama.
Correct and under Obama we doubled the debt, screwed the health care system for his "legacy", had record levels of people on food stamps, large loss of influence around the world, needlessly escalated the war in Afghanistan killing Americans for nothing, most divisive president ever splitting the country further apart, something liberal media has continued with. Honest historians, not pseudo intellectual liberals, won't rate Obama any better than a mediocre president.
He is already rated right where I guessed at the start of his term....about 2/3. Or at about number 15/16/17.
According to the nuts, he'd fall off the bottom of the charts. But reality does matter.
You have exposed your lack of knowledge by the screed above. It's quite simple really....how many times does the chart have to be shown. I'll do it once more......BUT, I will also provide an example....
If you and I are brothers and I have a house with a very large mortgage......but I borrowed against it even more until I borrowed more than the value. I also took out a big car loan, some school loans and have medical debt. I also defaulted or was late in many payments.
Then I gave you the house - along with everything "as-is".
Would you expect to prosper in the first year? two years? Or would it take you many years to get everything straight, even to a basic degree? I say the later.
The POTUS is, in a sense, a lagging indicator. Everyone knows Obama was given the wars, the biggest recession in history and tax cuts out of debt and deficit which were set in stone.
Here's the chart. Believe what you want, but we can already see where the ACA improved things (didn't go up as quickly, more people insured). Now Trumpcare is doing the opposite.
One can only look at things through the lens of what a person does with the hand they are dealt. Obama did well but would have been better if the GOP decided to be human beings and do their jobs.
Here is the chart. It is quite accurate, IMHO...and I was there the whole time watching it, in business, an investor and also closely tied to many people involved. http://www.city-data.com/forum/attac...1&d=1521682234
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