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Old 04-02-2018, 06:08 AM
 
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Most mass shooters don't even have a criminal history. "Apply every law to the 1st amendment", what in the world is that supposed to mean? And here's what I know about the second amendment, it's not unlimited and the Supreme Court has refused to hear any cases appealing assault weapon bans since Heller and no one is trying to take your guns away but neither God nor Justice Scalia promised you that you could have an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine
" what in the world is that supposed to mean?"

If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer.

I'll give it a samll try though

Think about it.

BEFORE you can speak, or how about posting on the Internet, you have to APPLY for a permit, go through a background check PAY for it and then wait.

You are restricted to what words you can use.

Howe does THAT sound to you.

" And here's what I know about the second amendment, it's not unlimited"

What part of "shall NOT BE INFRINGED" do you NOT understand?

"e Supreme Court has refused to hear any cases appealing assault weapon bans since Heller"

Most people do NOT agree on EVERY decision the Supreme co9urt has made since kit's inceeption.

MANY rulings have been overturned bu later courts.

"no one is trying to take your guns"

This has been discussed MANY TIMES and PROVEN to be WRONG.

there are PLENTY of politician who have they would like to and want to.

"but neither God nor Justice Scalia promised you that you could have an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine"

Please explain your definition of "infringed".

 
Old 04-02-2018, 06:16 AM
 
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They're going after the wrong firearm if they think they can curtail/mitigate gun violence. 4 out of 5 times, a handgun is used in gun crimes, yet a lot of people are convince (brainwashed) into thinking AR15's kills more people in gun related crimes. Handguns account for more deaths in mass shootings than AR15's. So, banning AR15's and not going after handguns is just the most illogical thinking and makes absolutely no sense....and this coming from people that claims to have common sense, Lmao.

I think, they're just jumping on the bandwagon for no other reason than to feel good about doing something, even though its meaningless. I also think, gun grabbers are doing this out of spite to prove a point, and could care less about kids/people in general being shot. What other reason could it be if they're going after AR15's and not handguns?
"yet a lot of people are convince (brainwashed) into thinking AR15'" is a MILITARY "assault" rifle which it is NEITHER.

That is why they use the word ASSAULT, to make it EMOTIONAL.

"NOBODY should have a "military" weapon!"
 
Old 04-02-2018, 06:16 AM
 
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7 yards! pft! Rookie!
Extensive training... Put the crosshair on your target, zoom in, take a deep breath and make a fist as you slowly exhale through your nose.
Trained!
Hunters are trained at an early age. For me it was 5. for my daughter it was 6. Dropped.
Kinda my point.

Very few people in the military will ever train with a rifle as extensively as someone who been hunting since they were a kid. In fact, go into the background of people selected for sniper/designated marksman/etc stuff, and you'll find a lot of folks with prior experience in the woods.

Because of that, it isn't surprising when you find a large number of anti-gun voices in the military. Easy to serve an entire career and never pick a weapon up.
 
Old 04-02-2018, 06:23 AM
 
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All the nitpicking about vets and their knowledge of guns.

Why don't we see the SAME about all the people who were NOT vets, have never even held a gun giving the rest of us advise on guns and what should and not banned etc.

I see a HEAP of hypocrisy here.
Who are you talking to? Even with extensive knowledge of firearms, marksmanship, etc, nobody can take away my natural individual right to keep and bear arms.

All I said was it isn't surprising to see the military being wildly divergent on the gun issue. I gave reasons.

And nobody, regardless of what authority they claim or is granted them by pop culture, can take away your natural individual rights. Read everything I write with the knowledge that it was written by a rabid, zealous, almost unhinged defender of natural individual rights and a pretty singular dislike of government in general.
 
Old 04-02-2018, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Kinda my point.

Very few people in the military will ever train with a rifle as extensively as someone who been hunting since they were a kid. In fact, go into the background of people selected for sniper/designated marksman/etc stuff, and you'll find a lot of folks with prior experience in the woods.

Because of that, it isn't surprising when you find a large number of anti-gun voices in the military. Easy to serve an entire career and never pick a weapon up.
Yeah.....back in my time, it was possible for a person to still be in even with a domestic charge against them (I don't know if that is true now). That made them useless to me, because of the laws of domestic offenses disqualified them from having a gun. From my point of view as the provost marshal, I should have the ability to train and arm anyone if the need came to it. If that was the way the laws were going to dictate, then to me, they shouldn't be in the service.

As far as the first paragraph, what another officer said to me after shooting on the rolling deck range, "WOW, where did you learn to shoot like that?".....JROTC rifle team, 3 years.
 
Old 04-02-2018, 06:35 AM
 
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Yeah.....back in my time, it was possible for a person to still be in even with a domestic charge against them (I don't know if that is true now). That made them useless to me, because of the laws of domestic offenses disqualified them from having a gun. From my point of view as the provost marshal, I should have the ability to train and arm anyone if the need came to it. If that was the way the laws were going to dictate, then to me, they shouldn't be in the service.

As far as the first paragraph, what another officer said to me after shooting on the rolling deck range, "WOW, where did you learn to shoot like that?".....JROTC rifle team, 3 years.
Prior to going to military law enforcement training, I had never fired a weapon other than a BB gun in my entire life. I just had a knack for marksmanship, so I scored well in training, and I had a pretty good service record, so I had a knack for "getting volunteered" for stuff. All my extra training was a result of "hey you, didn't you do so and so? Yeah, well, you're doing this new thing now?" Same thing happened with my CDL and international driver's license. I just kept being the highest ranking (or only) enlisted person near a vehicle that needed to be moved off a pier, so I kept getting ordered to move them by some officer in a hurry, and over time, everyone thought it was my official job, so I got to do training and licensing. Weird how you tumble into stuff in the military.

But that's how my weapon stuff happened. I got bounced around various "we need X enlisted for Y duty" jobs and it just kind of snowballed into me being some sort of security specialist.
 
Old 04-02-2018, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Prior to going to military law enforcement training, I had never fired a weapon other than a BB gun in my entire life. I just had a knack for marksmanship, so I scored well in training, and I had a pretty good service record, so I had a knack for "getting volunteered" for stuff. All my extra training was a result of "hey you, didn't you do so and so? Yeah, well, you're doing this new thing now?" Same thing happened with my CDL and international driver's license. I just kept being the highest ranking (or only) enlisted person near a vehicle that needed to be moved off a pier, so I kept getting ordered to move them by some officer in a hurry, and over time, everyone thought it was my official job, so I got to do training and licensing. Weird how you tumble into stuff in the military.

But that's how my weapon stuff happened. I got bounced around various "we need X enlisted for Y duty" jobs and it just kind of snowballed into me being some sort of security specialist.
Tell me about it.

One of the things in my service background is that I taught hand to hand to anti terrorism troops.

Now, I wasn't an instructor graduated from some school. Rather I had various members new to the ASF who needed such training and I was the only one available, with over a decade of judo experience from age 10 on. So the Captain said, "Ounce, get it done.". So I got out my books, made lesson plans, then got out the mats and started training them in the gym.

"Ah, but was it official?". Official enough because that fact was on my Fitreps and then on my Captain's Fitrep to his Admiral.
 
Old 04-03-2018, 07:17 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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What shows how disingenuous big Hogg and little Hogg (brother/sister) are is the fact that while they've been out bumping their gums about banning guns using their "right" to school safety as the reason they're now about all of the measures that were just put in place to make their school exactly what they demanded, SAFE.
Clear backpacks just like what are required to enter most public venues nowadays, metal detectors etc.

Their complaint? "We don't want to feel like we're in a prison"...
 
Old 04-03-2018, 07:48 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Without a FFL and SOT, you can’t legally build your own.

Government permission is required to (legally) own one.

You appear to be a bit confused about how the M-16 works. A FA disconnector and a select fire safety won’t turn an AR-15 into a full auto. And a legal full auto AR-15 or M-16 retails for quite a bit more than $10,500.
Who is going to stop you?
What about inherited? I'm I suppose to go down and let government know I inherited 2 BAR's and a Thompson trench broom?
I retail them for $10,500. You want to buy one? There is a waiting list.


Will this work?
BGR M16 Full Auto Fire Control Group | Bayou Gun Runner

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Old 04-03-2018, 07:58 AM
 
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Who is going to stop you?
What about inherited? I'm I suppose to go down and let government know I inherited 2 BAR's and a Thompson trench broom?
I retail them for $10,500. You want to buy one?


Will this work?
BGR M16 Full Auto Fire Control Group | Bayou Gun Runner
Other than the fear of being arrested by the ATF. Can't take them to the range to shoot, if you used one to protect your home you will be arrested and lose everything.
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