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Old 03-25-2018, 05:45 PM
 
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He seems to be more Democrat than Republican, he gave the Dems almost everything they wanted on a silver platter.

Did they get their biggest dream....DACA?
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Old 03-25-2018, 05:49 PM
 
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The image going along with an act matters at least as much as profit, and easily arguably more so. Even profit-hungry mega-corporations recognize that much. That's why Delta and many other companies terminated their relationship with the NRA, for example. They realize it's more than a matter than "dollars and cents".

BTW, going by dollars and cents alone, and using your figures (source, please?) and assuming 320 million Americans, that works out yearly to $312.50 per person (cradle to dying days), or, if you prefer, $9,091.19 per illegal immigrant ( Source ).

Even going by the high figure and assuming multiple years here, that at most under Texas law a First Degree Felony punishable from 5 to 99 years - pardon the incoherence of trying a federal violation in a state court, but it's easier to get my point across. (In TX, that's stealing property worth $200,000+ ). Yet,the mandatory minimum for illegal entry into the US and staying over a year is 10 years? I have a great deal of difficulty disdaining an ordinary illegal immigrant more than you do someone who (if it happens, lets both hope it never does) bashes someone you're close to with a tire tool.

Source. How the hell is the average illegal immigrant costing the US $40,000/yr per immigrant? So in effect, we're saying that stealing a Rolls Royce or about 8 Toyota Tacoma pickups is less worthy of punishment than an illegal immigrant who stays here for even a little over a year?

And there's more!! The median time served for various forms of sexual Exploitation of children is from five to six years ( Source ). Yet, the mandatory minimum for illegal immigration and staying here for even a little over a year is ten years? This is so out of balance that no sane person can find it rational. Regardless of which crime deserve what sentence, I think surely you can agree that illegal immigration and staying here for a year is MUCH less bad than sexual exploitation of children.



Proof that the Mexican government is encouraging illegal immigration or they aren't doing so.

Speaking of laughable, right back at you - this time about ancient China. They built their wall to keep out actual hostile invaders who sought conquest and raiding (i.e., armed robbery writ large). Latin American illegal immigrants typically (no, overwhelmingly) do NOT cross the border armed and certainly not to make a life of robbery, burglary, etc in the USA.



Not to mention violate certain environmental laws, possibly the Endangered Species Act. The Lower Rio Grande Valley (extreme south tip of TX) is home to among other endangered species, the ocelot, a small feline endangered within its US range. Its population north of the Rio Grande is so small that it's genetically unsustainable - only 50 left in the US ( Source )

The Mexican government gave out pamphlets years ago on how their citizens could make it safely over our border "and evade the Border Patrol". That was common knowledge. An invasion is an uninvited and unwanted intrusion. It doesn't have to be an armed one. As for the costs of illegal immigration here's the link.

Sorry I don't value animal life over human life and the endangered spies argument not to build the wall is pure biased BS.

Illegal Immigration a $113 Billion a Year Drain on U.S. Taxpayers | Federation for American Immigration Reform

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Old 03-25-2018, 05:55 PM
 
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Maybe we should mount cavalry on horses with repeater Winchesters and beef jerky and have them patrol.....but, heck, with no A/C we'd quickly lose most all employees.

Technology is part of the answer to border security. In fact, probably most of it.

But the real solution is in the heads of Congress....that is, they LOVE the status quo. They refuse to take up debate and bills to have comprehensive immigration reform. They like the red Meat they can dangle in front of the uneducated.

If they solved the problem, what would they do for Red Meat. They can't use the old "We Republicans only Shtup our own Wives" family values thing any longer with the Fornicator-in-Chief at the helm. They can't use the balanced budget. They can't use the "no foreign adventures" thingy.
They have nothing..
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Old 03-25-2018, 05:56 PM
 
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Did they get their biggest dream....DACA?
No they didn't get that, though Trump is saying what a shame it is....
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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No they didn't get that, though Trump is saying what a shame it is....

He's saying that to mock them for not making a deal for the wall. He's saying that the DACAs weren't all that important to them if all he was asking for is funds for the border wall. He's trying to get Hispanics to turn against the Dems for not making that deal. It's a political mind game. Hispanics threated to withhold votes from Obama when he did nothing to grant amnesty to their illegal amigos and that's why Obama implemented DACA and DAPA.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:22 PM
 
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He's saying that to mock them for not making a deal for the wall. He's saying that the DACAs weren't all that important to them if all he was asking for is funds for the border wall. He's trying to get Hispanics to turn against the Dems for not making that deal. It's a political mind game. Hispanics threated to withhold votes from Obama when he did nothing to grant amnesty to their illegal amigos and that's why Obama implemented DACA and DAPA.
Of course, and he would have given the Dems the DACAs if they gave him the wall.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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Why not bring all the troops all home and let them patrol the border?

That sounds like a win-win to me.
I like this plan! It's why we have a military to begin with. They are supposed to protect our borders, not go half way around the world bombing other nations.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:34 PM
 
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Of course, and he would have given the Dems the DACAs if they gave him the wall.

Which I didn't agree with. Some conservatives however thought that the wall was more important than giving amnesty to the DACAs. I don't think we should trade border security for them as border security is our right in the first place. We don't need 800,000 DACAs remaining here to compete for jobs and resources against Americans and it rewards their parents for bringing them here illegally. Next the Dems would be arguing for their parents to remain here also crying about the separation of families. The DACAs are already doing that. I'm not stupid and wasn't born yesterday I knew where this was going.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:50 PM
 
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Are you joking? The entire Democrat party in congress has bucked him and many of the GOP have also on this issue. His plan was not unreasonable it was congress that was. He even was willing to give them DACA in exchange for the wall and yet they still rejected the border security that we need.
Selective memory?

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January 19: House before a government funding deadline, Schumer and Trump meet for lunch at the White House. Schumer offered Trump the upwards of $20 billion he wanted for his border wall in exchange for a pathway to citizenship for the eligible immigrant population. The deal is rejected, and government shuts down at midnight.
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February 14: A bipartisan group of senators unveils a compromise plan, which includes $25 billion for the border, a pathway to citizenship for the immigrants, cuts to one slim category of family-based migration and prevents the parents who brought their children to the US illegally from ever being sponsored for citizenship by those children.

February 15: White House goes all out to stop the bipartisan compromise deal, which fails to get the necessary 60 votes in the Senate, with 54 votes.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/23/polit...ump/index.html
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Old 03-25-2018, 07:59 PM
 
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CNN? Guess you didn't read your own link.


"Trump has dinner with Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer and House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi at the White House, after which the two Democrats say they agreed in broad strokes to a DACA-border "security deal that doesn't include Trump's wall".


At no time have the Democrats agreed to funding the border wall, ending the visa lottery system and ending chain migration which is what Trump wanted in exchange for DACA.
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