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The original poster didn't mention which state they live in. That would be helpful to know so that we could intelligently discuss factual information about whether his state's public universities within his or her state are actually admitting international students in such large numbers that in-state students are being deprived of access.
International students often have a lower admissions rate than resident students. For instance, in my state (California) UC Berkeley is considered by many to be the "top" public university. Last year at UC Berkeley, the admissions rate for in-state students last year was 20% while for international students it was 8%. (For students from other states, it was 17%). In terms of numbers applying, 49,000 state residents applied for freshmen admission compared to 14,000 international students. Resident students are given priority in admission; the minimum GPA and test score requirements are lower for resident students than they are for international and out of state students. International students also have to take extra exams for admission.
In my experience, this is true at many other flagship public universities in other states as well. Some states, however, actually rely on out of state students to fill seats in public universities, so they admit out of state and international students at higher rates. But, there is no public university that I am aware of that does not give priority in admission to its own resident students.
So, again, we'd need to know which specific public university the original poster is talking about in order to intelligently discuss whether the issue he/she raises is applicable to that state.
Well, it'll continue to be necessary as Americans write off their own as too dumb/spoiled/lazy.
And I have to laugh at the idea of international students being less spoiled. They almost all came from wealthy families back home. Several of my roommates were from Asian countries, and they weren't used to not having a maid pick up after them all the time.
They drove around in luxury cars, regularly shopped at high-end designer shops, partied at exclusive clubs instead of working at night...while the Americans were making do with thrift stores, cheap ramen, and bicycling to and from their crap jobs between classes.
Nothing's changed. The dorm's communal kitchen is heavily used by international students, mostly Chinese, and it's always filthy with trash cans overflowing, the floor a sticky mess, and grease all over everything. These young people are not at all accustomed to cleaning up after themselves. Drives my daughter absolutely nuts!
Nothing's changed. The dorm's communal kitchen is heavily used by international students, mostly Chinese, and it's always filthy with trash cans overflowing, the floor a sticky mess, and grease all over everything. These young people are not at all accustomed to cleaning up after themselves. Drives my daughter absolutely nuts!
I have three sons -- one with a masters, one with an undergraduate and one in his third year of his undergraduate.
They have all had the disastrous dorm mates or room mates who are dirty and don't clean up after themselves.
Most of them have been white males brought up in upper middle class neighborhood but there have been females too. And my sons have complained ab out their inability to clean up after themselves.
You see -- it isn't a Chinese thing, it isn't an American thing -- it's a kid thing.
Universities don't want in-staters enrolling because then they only get $15k/year tuition.
correct. universities have multiple, often competing, goals.
but, you know, if you want to run for state-level office on the platform of raising taxes to pay for more higher ed funding, then knock yourself out. Because that's what it would take.
What you call xenophobia is the expression of a fundamental human right. It needs no further justification. No one needs to "make up facts" to support the obvious right not to be invaded.
uh, no, "protection from the effects of immigration" is not a human right
I have three sons -- one with a masters, one with an undergraduate and one in his third year of his undergraduate.
They have all had the disastrous dorm mates or room mates who are dirty and don't clean up after themselves.
Most of them have been white males brought up in upper middle class neighborhood but there have been females too. And my sons have complained ab out their inability to clean up after themselves.
You see -- it isn't a Chinese thing, it isn't an American thing -- it's a kid thing.
There's some of that, yes. I should have been more clear in expressing my thoughts. This is not an anti-international student rant. I'm just pointing out that the idea that every international student has a great work ethic is false. Some absolutely are here to party on their parents' dime. This year, a whole heap of them live in my daughter's dorm, which houses about 75% of first-year international students.
There's some of that, yes. I should have been more clear in expressing my thoughts. This is not an anti-international student rant. I'm just pointing out that the idea that every international student has a great work ethic is false. Some absolutely are here to party on their parents' dime. This year, a whole heap of them live in my daughter's dorm, which houses about 75% of first-year international students.
Yup kids are kids.
Lots of kids drop out -- even the ones who took student loans to get their in the first place.
International and domestic -- these kids are kids. Some just don't apply themselves.
I kind of agree. I wanted to get a masters in cs or something straight out of college, but seeing that most of the programs I wanted to get in were like 90% international students was quite the turn off.
I wonder why no one seems to question the fact that Americans have to compete with 7+ billion non-Americans to get into American universities. The imported talent then gets to compete with Americans for highly desired jobs in America. If they can't get a job straight out of undergrad school, they just enroll in a Masters program and keep trying. I have a friend who is getting a 2nd Masters degree just to stay in the U.S. and try to get a good job. By the way, these students almost always come from extremely wealthy families and can afford expensive apartments and cars while paying $50k/year in tuition. Universities don't want in-staters enrolling because then they only get $15k/year tuition.
State universities depend on their tuition to survive. The in-state tuition paid by local kids cannot support the stadiums and dormitories.
I kind of agree. I wanted to get a masters in cs or something straight out of college, but seeing that most of the programs I wanted to get in were like 90% international students was quite the turn off.
If you work for a major IT company, many developers will be "international" too.
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