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Old 05-10-2018, 11:31 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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WE are going to have to agree to disagree, you seem to think that boomers open boarder policy and free trade agreements have no bearing on where we are today and I think the younger generations were sold out big time.
Not all Boomers like the open borders policy and free trade agreements. Those are the Democrat Party's preferences. Notice how Trump is trying to close the borders and enforce immigration law? And Trump pulled us out of the impending TPP and wants to renegotiate NAFTA.

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The USA pretty much has no national boarders anymore, US citizens are not being protected by forign interests.
Well... That's a Dem thing. 8 years of Obama certainly didn't help. And look at California, balking Federal Immigration Law and making themselves a "sanctuary" state. Their residents are just as much against it as you are but California's Dem politicians overrule the people.
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Old 05-10-2018, 11:36 AM
 
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One word, LOBBISTS and members of the govt getting PERSONALLY rich off of the favors they do for the rich people.
Name the lobbyists and their relation to the particular tracts of formerly public lands of which you speak.

Also, you failed to respond to the point I made about 1 person = 1 vote, rich or poor. If people don't want Fed Gov to sell off public lands, vote the elected officials who authorize those sales out of office.

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Now we are getting somewhere, this discussion has gone full circle, I think our govt is going to start going socialist as the young people start to out number the older generations.
It won't for exactly the mating and children example you mentioned, among other things. Society, will, however, implode under the weight of the burden of the huge number of takers and the insufficient number of contributors in our society.
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Old 05-10-2018, 11:38 AM
 
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Not all Boomers like the open borders policy and free trade agreements. Those are the Democrat Party's preferences. Notice how Trump is trying to close the borders and enforce immigration law? And Trump pulled us out of the impending TPP and wants to renegotiate NAFTA.

Well... That's a Dem thing. 8 years of Obama certainly didn't help. And look at California, balking Federal Immigration Law and making themselves a "sanctuary" state. Their residents are just as much against it as you are but California's Dem politicians overrule the people.
China is the only issue and he is not dealing with it, he is tip toeing around the tulips. China needs to be deal with head on. Full on breaking all economic ties, no more trade with China or at the very least 70% tarrifs on EVERYTHING from the orient (other than Tawain and Japan), every happy mean toy every thing.

Trumps positions are really weak and because of his tip toeing he is upsetting our lagitimate trading partners and allys.

Companies are still able to bring in H1 whatevers and mexicans are still flooding the boarder. Even mark Cuban stood there and smuggly said that H1X is good for america lol, who does he think he is fooling.

Didnt trump just try to tarrif plywood from Canada or some similar hair brained scheme, hes not going to get a second term if he keeps it up. China needs to be cut off 100%, all trade, all H1X, everything, no flights, nothing, treat them like north korea. If he doesnt he is done.
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Old 05-10-2018, 11:44 AM
 
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China is the only issue
Nope. NAFTA is an issue. So is our open borders. You said so yourself. Of course, we could elect a Dem next time and make things FAR worse. That's up to the electorate.
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Old 05-10-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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Name the lobbyists and their relation to the particular tracts of formerly public lands of which you speak.

Also, you failed to respond to the point I made about 1 person = 1 vote, rich or poor. If people don't want Fed Gov to sell off public lands, vote the elected officials who authorize those sales out of office.

It won't for exactly the mating and children example you mentioned, among other things. Society, will, however, implode under the weight of the burden of the huge number of takers and the insufficient number of contributors in our society.
We have created a society where peoples minds are split trying to shore up a place to stay transportation, worried about their incomes and jobs and on and on. We have created a highly volitie and unstable society where its very difficult for someone to position themselves where they can actually sit and really contribute (develop new ideas, start ups, etc). How well can someone build out proto types or work on hard problems if they are constantly distracted with sky rocketing rent, job instability, etc, etc.

I agree there are people who are just fing useless, but I think society has put alot of burdens on people that would otherwise be doing something cool but instead its taking an inordinate amount of time for young people to get established.

Heck I thought about setting up a micro machine shop out of a "food truck style set up" because there will never be a day that I can afford a half million dollars for a metal building that is located somewhere I can get a good job to funnel money into the venture. I highly doubt I am the only one who sees this.

Most people are not in a situation where they can just go set up shop in the middle of nowhere and just keep swiping their card for more equipment without any source of income.
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Old 05-10-2018, 11:51 AM
 
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Nope. NAFTA is an issue. So is our open borders. You said so yourself. Of course, we could elect a Dem next time and make things FAR worse. That's up to the electorate.
Mexico is an issue, plywood from Canada is NOT lol. I am hoping that overton window moves sufficiently enough that we can get a full blown nationalist in office next time, as well as nationalist senators. Who takes radical actions against enemies of the state.
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Old 05-10-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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We have created a society where peoples minds are split trying to shore up a place to stay transportation, worried about their incomes and jobs and on and on. We have created a highly volitie and unstable society where its very difficult for someone to position themselves where they can actually sit and really contribute (develop new ideas, start ups, etc). How well can someone build out proto types or work on hard problems if they are constantly distracted with sky rocketing rent, job instability, etc, etc.
I completely disagree. I have two kids in their late 20s and they've had no problems with any of those whatsoever. In fact, they're contacted regularly by headhunters wanting to steal them away from their current employers. Are you younger than that? Anyway, if you or others are having problems securing the basics, it could be something you and they are doing wrong. Some self-reflection might be constructive.

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I agree there are people who are just fing useless, but I think society has put alot of burdens on people that would otherwise be doing something cool but instead its taking an inordinate amount of time for young people to get established.
Again, not true in my experience.

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Heck I thought about setting up a micro machine shop out of a "food truck style set up" because there will never be a day that I can afford a half million dollars for a metal building that is located somewhere I can get a good job to funnel money into the venture. I highly doubt I am the only one who sees this.

Most people are not in a situation where they can just go set up shop in the middle of nowhere and just keep swiping their card for more equipment without any source of income.
Start small. Work your way up. Or get VCs to back your venture and when you've made a success of it, buy them out. That's how it's always been done. I have no idea why you expect things to be different for you.
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Old 05-10-2018, 12:47 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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China is the only issue and he is not dealing with it, he is tip toeing around the tulips. China needs to be deal with head on. Full on breaking all economic ties, no more trade with China or at the very least 70% tarrifs on EVERYTHING from the orient (other than Tawain and Japan), every happy mean toy every thing.

Trumps positions are really weak and because of his tip toeing he is upsetting our lagitimate trading partners and allys.

Companies are still able to bring in H1 whatevers and mexicans are still flooding the boarder. Even mark Cuban stood there and smuggly said that H1X is good for america lol, who does he think he is fooling.

Didnt trump just try to tarrif plywood from Canada or some similar hair brained scheme, hes not going to get a second term if he keeps it up. China needs to be cut off 100%, all trade, all H1X, everything, no flights, nothing, treat them like north korea. If he doesnt he is done.
Are you nuts?! On what grounds?! What is the reason for your China-bashing?
Without China the Korea problem would not be going away now...
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Old 05-10-2018, 01:14 PM
 
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. Making decisions to act in ways that result in consequences for which one cannot bear the responsibility is extremely selfish, greedy, and destructive to society. It is absolutely unconscionable to expect anyone to work hard to support themselves and their own dependents, and then take even more from them to support others who've made irresponsible decisions. If they donate to the support of others voluntarily, fine. But taking it from them via government force is wrong.

The problem with your touchy-feely emotional perspective on that is that NOT everyone is expected to "keep the problems on the boat to a minimum." There are a substantial amount of takers who contribute little to nothing. They're CAUSING problems for everyone else.

In the U.S., women on public assistance, as a group, have a birth rate that's 3 times higher than that of women (with or without partners) who support themselves and their children themselves. 48% of all births in the U.S. each year are paid by Medicaid, the free taxpayer-funded health care program for the poor. And all of those kids need to be supported by public assistance for at least 18 years. Meanwhile, 47% of all 1040 income tax filers pay zero federal income tax, which is collected by the government to fund Medicaid and other government-provided services. That's a LOT of taking, and very little contributing. Our society is going to collapse under the burden.
Again, people are what they are. They will always make some wrong decisions. It is like with crime. The law says you may not do this or that, even threatens to throw you in jail or put you on the electric chair, yet people keep committing crimes as they have always done.
People just don't always think of the consequences of their actions, it's a fact and there is nothing one can do in order to change that. It's probably human nature. Why is there teenage pregnancy? Not because those people are greedy, egoistic as you wrote, but because their libido overwhelms them.

So, unless someone does something criminal, I think it makes more sense to help instead of abandon and punish the makers of what objectively seem like wrong decisions. For example by making sure that those kids grow up to become healthy, decent, educated citizens rather than thugs. That way they will contribute to society after all.

Be happy that there are so many unplanned pregnancies in the US. Else your country would soon suffer form the same problems as Europe and Japan, i.e. an aging population with all the problems that brings. Here the government pays incentives for people to have children.
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Old 05-10-2018, 01:33 PM
 
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I completely disagree. I have two kids in their late 20s and they've had no problems with any of those whatsoever. In fact, they're contacted regularly by headhunters wanting to steal them away from their current employers. Are you younger than that? Anyway, if you or others are having problems securing the basics, it could be something you and they are doing wrong. Some self-reflection might be constructive.

Again, not true in my experience.

Start small. Work your way up. Or get VCs to back your venture and when you've made a success of it, buy them out. That's how it's always been done. I have no idea why you expect things to be different for you.
I will retain my intellectual property, I don't want to involve VC's because it muddies the waters. I have had head hunters contact me, just because they contact you does not mean that you just get placed, you still have to go through the application and interview process and the head hunters may have numerous people lined up to present to the client company.

Beleive me there is a lot of self reflection going on with me. Because I have worked hard and have alot of credentials and skills I am first trying to ascertain if my sitaution is a product of my location or if despite my skills and experience everyone else is doing leaps and bounds more. I suspect the former is more likely than the later so I am trying to network to see how valuable my resume would be in other places/countries.

If my resume is universally non valuable then the self reflection will have to go alot deeper. Who knows, maybe people dont like me and I could have 3 PhD's in rocket science in which case I would have to modify my entire strategy and retire as early as humanly possible and abandon my venture efforts.
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