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Old 03-30-2018, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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You made that up out of thin air.

As a citizen you have some rights of associations - but try meeting with ISIS members, even if you mean no harm.

More importantly, what is OK for a citizen is not OK for the US Congress (members from each state) and other government figures. Please show us all where in the Constitution it says Senators and States can decide to leave the Union?

It's a stupid thing to even discuss because even Putin wouldn't want Texas....he has enough oil and certainly doesn't need a lot of "all hat and no cattle" types questioning his authority.
Depends on your political ideology.

Statists believe that the governed (regardless if whether individually or collectively as a subset of the whole governed), cannot refuse to be governed without the permission of the State. This is the current system in place in the US.

Non-Statists believe the governed must consent to being governed. Thus any individual or collective can secede from the state at any time for any reason, and the state has no ability to or event this by law.

As far as liberties the "people" have that elected representatives don't, this is far outweighed by the converse. Try insider trading as a non-federal elected representative, you'll be nailed by the SEC before you can go to the bathroom, that's one legal privilege you get as a representative, not the only one and not including the unwritten privileges like back handers, avoiding minor offenses, etc.
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Old 03-30-2018, 08:31 AM
 
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I wonder if you even have an inkling of what our Founders thought and feared most about government? Have you ever read any of the Federalist Papers? Do you know why we have the Second Amendment? It might surprise you to learn that these highly educated, wise men, who knew their history, feared a tyrannical government more than anything else. That's why we have the Second Amendment.

It might be time for you to learn some history, and study the Constitution, and it's origin.
We have the 2nd amendment because there was no standing army at the time. It`s about a well regulated militia which is clearly stated. You know what the founder`s thoughts were? The Founders believed in voting, not gunning down our elected officials.
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Old 03-30-2018, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Earth
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people have a lot of anger issues on this board
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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people have a lot of anger issues on this board
Man, oh man...

Is that a understatement.

And it explains tRump.

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Old 03-30-2018, 09:05 AM
 
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In other right wing dominated countries, death squads are common.

So far here, it is character assassination. The impulse is the same but we have up to this point had more moral constraints. I see that gradually breaking down.
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Which countries are those? ...
To name a few of the most notorious: El Salvador, Colombia, Honduras, Chile, Guatemala, Philippines, Egypt ... and of course ... Russia.
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:10 AM
 
Location: The 719
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The American right controls all three branches of the federal government and a staggering majority of state governments, yet they are the ones always talking Civil War. Civil wars are usually fight for freedom, independence or power. Why would the group that holds all the power want a civil war? Do they literally just want to kill their political opponents?
We don't need to talk nor think civil war because we've been and continue to kick Y'alls ass despite all your corruption.
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:15 AM
 
Location: USA
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The American right does NOT control all three branches. The Supreme Court is evenly split. The Senate has a small Republican margin, controlled by establishment, career politicians like McCain, Flake, Graham, that are anti Trump, and vote with the Democrats. The House also has a relatively small margin. Also, Trump is not "the right". He has been a liberal Democrat most of his life. Who knows what he will sign. He is a complete Wild Card.
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:18 AM
 
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people have a lot of anger issues on this board
People have a bully issue, not just on this forum, but everywhere.

You want to know how most civil wars, revolutions and/or uprisings occur? It's a segment of a population that gets sick of being bullied and decides to fight back. Whether the bullying is real or perceived, warranted or unjustified, doesn't matter. Some group gets sick of being bullied and starts swinging.

In the Revolutionary War, the scrappy heroes won. In the US Civil War, the bully won. In WW II, the scrappy heroes won. In Vietnam, the bully was winning but couldn't get the cheerleader to like them, so they quit and let the scrappy hero win. Etc etc across history.

Should another rebellion/uprising occur in the US, that would the base cause - some segment of the US population got sick of being bullied and decided to punch back. If that equates to anger...OK? Not like bullies do their nonsense out of love and affection, so maybe anger is perfectly suitable in response?
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:24 AM
 
Location: USA
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I would say the current bullies, no matter the party, are the Federal Government, and many State Governments. The farther removed from "The People" the less accountability, and more risk of being subjugated.
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:25 AM
 
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We have the 2nd amendment because there was no standing army at the time. It`s about a well regulated militia which is clearly stated. You know what the founder`s thoughts were? The Founders believed in voting, not gunning down our elected officials.
The Founder Himself - General and POTUS George Washington, called out the Militia to put down rebellions in the Union in the first years. Proof positive that no one can dispute. Facts are stubborn things.
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