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Old 03-28-2018, 07:00 PM
 
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Any charges aside, Trump generally rewards loyalty to him, so this probably isnít that steep of a bet for Manafort.
Is this sarcasm?
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Old 03-28-2018, 07:02 PM
 
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Just read where Dowd spoke with both Flynn and Manafort about pardons some months ago..

Apparently, Flynn didn't believe Trump would do it and flipped.

Manaforts still waiting.

But as I posted before, it's not Trump's pardon he needs.
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Old 03-28-2018, 07:15 PM
 
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If he pardons anyone dems re-take the legislature for sure and the investigation intensifies.
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Old 03-28-2018, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Trump is highly unlikely to pardon Manafort.

Don't confuse the Manafort charges with the Russian investigation, they are two separate issues.

Manafort's charges so far have nothing to do with Russians.

BTW, when is Mueller going to charge Tony Podesta?
Fixed it.
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Old 03-28-2018, 07:57 PM
 
Location: FL
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Trump's pardon isn't worth that much to Manafort. Before the ink is dry the state charges will start coming.

If Manafort talks, and he is the one who can incriminate Donnie, he will go to jail for a few months and walk out looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life to see if there's a Russian there with nerve gas or polonium tea for him. If he doesn't talk, he will go to jail for the rest of his life. If the case is dismissed he is free of both scenarios.

Gutsy choice to try to get the courts to side with him that Mueller didn't have authority to investigate him, but absoultely idiotic. Manafort is toast no matter how this plays out.

so true!
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Old 03-28-2018, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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I'm quite sure certain state AG's are licking their chops for the moment a pardon on federal convictions occurs, lol.
This is what adds complexity to all scenarios, whether Trump decides at any point to give Manafort a pardon.

If Trump does not provide a pardon, most of the evidence in the federal cases against Manafort is documentary in nature, so Manafort has a high probability of being convicted.

If Trump decides to preemptively pardon Manafort and it is accepted, Manafort is admitting he is guilty. Since some of the charges against Manafort can also be raised at state level, whatever Manafort claimed on his federal taxes possibly matches his state returns. Admitting to tax evasion crimes at the federal level by accepting a pardon would make proving a state case that much easier.

If Trump pardons Manafort after a federal conviction, charges at the state level against Manafot could still be pending, waiting for him. And with a federal conviction, any overlapping state charges could again be an easy procedure a the state level.

At this point it was a real blunder by Trump and his team to even comment on a pardon for Manafort or Flynn for that matter. They should have realized that Trump's pardons cannot save either one of them at a state level and politically pardons would be untenable based on the amount of documentary evidence against each of them, including financial forms that they have signed that contradict the evidence against them.

In other words, how is it going to look if Trump pardons Manafort and/or Flynn after they blatantly lied about the income the obviously received from questionable foreign sources? Politically it will look like Trump is giving them a pass for some other reason.
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:04 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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He's not going to cooperate with Mueller, hoping for a pardon from Trump instead...

Manafort bets on presidential pardon in special counsel case - cbsnews.com

Manafort has not plead guilty. Why would he cooperate?
What you say, will only be used against you.
The guy ain't dumb.
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Manafort has not plead guilty. Why would he cooperate?
What you say, will only be used against you.
The guy ain't dumb.
Dumb enough to leave a pile of tracks to illegal transactions...
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:27 PM
 
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Hang the traitor. Never seen a President like this one. The whole administration is complicit.
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