U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 04-03-2018, 07:13 AM
 
4,966 posts, read 2,211,370 times
Reputation: 7115

Advertisements

Rosanne said the show was about differing opinions, discussing the differences and finding common ground.

I can not help but think of the movie "Life of Pi" with a boy and a tiger in a boat. The USA is the boat and the boy and tiger end up needing each other to survive.

 
Old 04-03-2018, 07:27 AM
 
7,237 posts, read 1,628,000 times
Reputation: 3914
How and why is Roseanne being a Trump supporter on her show somehow being tied to high ratings? It makes absolutely no sense.

Roseanne was one of the most popular television shows of the last 30 years, which is why ABC decided to resurrect it. So when one of the most popular television shows of the 90s re-premiered last week for the first time in 22 years, no wonder ratings were high. Make sense?

The big Nielsen numbers for Roseanne had nothing to do with politics, Crooked Hillary, or Trump.
 
Old 04-03-2018, 07:35 AM
 
38,339 posts, read 15,006,403 times
Reputation: 24750
Traitor Trump even pimped for Roseanne's show during his infrastructure speech in Ohio.

Though to be fair, several channels including Fox had already dumped the feed on his rambling rant by the time he got to hyping this sitcom revival. So, some may not have seen this.
 
Old 04-03-2018, 08:06 AM
 
Location: crafton pa
979 posts, read 358,342 times
Reputation: 1194
Quote:
Originally Posted by moneill View Post
Trump can't win with the base support. He just can't.

Look how you talk about 'this segment' of the population -- what are you talking about?

'This segment' -- sounds like some kind of unique creatures.

The Connors on Tv have a Mom who voted for Trump -- the rest of them didn't.

Oh -- is that how Trump won?
As NJGoat pointed out, that segment is working class voters in states like PA, WI, MI, and OH (sound familiar; those were the states that decided the 2016 election). Mostly these are white voters. They are turned off by the identity politics that is prevalent among the leftist elites. When those elites talk about "white privilege", you would have to excuse this segment for not feeling very privileged. They are struggling, often living paycheck to paycheck, and are barely getting by. When Dems tell them that they are "privileged" because they are white, they are naturally turned off by how out of touch those Dems are. When Dems like Clinton and Obama further insult them (baskets of deplorables, backward looking, bitterly clinging to guns and religion, etc.) they are further alienated. It's only natural that a candidate like Trump who addressed their concerns more directly and didn't engage in insults and condescending speech toward them would be attractive. These folks are not racists, but they also don't want to hear about how tough things are for Hispanics, blacks, etc.; life is plenty tough enough for them. They would rather hear a candidate talk about bringing jobs to the areas where they live and giving them opportunity. They don't want welfare and other giveaways; they want to take care of themselves. They historically have voted Democrat, now are voting Republican, but really (and I know this seems foreign to most posters on here) don't identify particularly strongly with either party. They tend to vote for the candidate that they feel cares about them, which right now tends to be Republicans rather than Democrats.

Can Trump win reelection via attracting only this segment of voters? Of course not. Nobody can be elected by having the support of any single voting bloc. Assuming Trump doesn't do something to throw them under the bus, though, this segment will be a strong base of support for Trump to start his coalition. Like I said before, who knows how 2020 will turn out; it's a long time till then. However, the Dems would do well to pay more attention to this segment of voters. They could certainly undermine Trump's base if they stop insulting these people and start paying attention to their concerns.
 
Old 04-03-2018, 08:18 AM
 
38,339 posts, read 15,006,403 times
Reputation: 24750
The idea that Republicans care for the working class is ridiculous nonsense.

From undermining unions to decent health insurance for working people, Republicans have consistently been corporate shills not working class advocates.

Regardless of what lies Republicans spread, any working class person voting for a Republican is shooting themselves in the foot.
 
Old 04-03-2018, 10:49 AM
 
Location: somewhere flat
1,375 posts, read 1,222,670 times
Reputation: 4105
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tolstoyy View Post
Socialist Sanders would have gotten beat worse than Hillary. You are out of your mind
Not true. The term "Democratic Socialist" does not scare anyone today.

There is a huge Youth Vote that did not live through the Cold War.

The only one consorting with former KGB oligarchs from the former USSR is Trump. Bernie is loved by working class voters and younger voters alike. Both groups are not fans of Hillary Rodham Clinton. She did absolutely nothing to attract those voters.

This is why we have trump. Because the DNC has it's agenda.
 
Old 04-03-2018, 11:00 AM
 
Location: crafton pa
979 posts, read 358,342 times
Reputation: 1194
Quote:
Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
The idea that Republicans care for the working class is ridiculous nonsense.

From undermining unions to decent health insurance for working people, Republicans have consistently been corporate shills not working class advocates.

Regardless of what lies Republicans spread, any working class person voting for a Republican is shooting themselves in the foot.
It really doesn't matter what your opinion is. The people I am talking about think otherwise. Who are you to judge what their best interests are? They are quite capable of deciding that for themselves. The fact that you believe otherwise is a big part of the reason why they DON'T vote D, and is indicative of my whole point. These folks are tired of people like you who think they know better than they do what they need. They know perfectly well what they need. Like I said, these people are NOT particularly wedded to either party (I know, that likely seems incomprehensible to you), so their votes are most certainly up for grabs. The Dems can get their votes if they stop insulting them when they don't vote Dem. Instead, the Dems need to quit pandering to minorities and promote policies that will help the working class. Note that does not necessarily mean that Dems would give up on minorities. Quite the contrary, policies that lead to more plentiful high-paying jobs help everyone, minorities included. Just quit telling these folks that they are privileged because of their white skin and start helping them instead of insulting them, and they will start voting Dem again, just as they have done historically.
 
Old 04-03-2018, 11:35 AM
 
38,339 posts, read 15,006,403 times
Reputation: 24750
It's not my opinion that Republicans undermine the right for workers to organize, they actually do that and have for decades.

It's not my opinion that Republicans oppose decent health insurance for working Americans, that gut labor law protections, ...

These are facts.

Republicans whip folks into a frenzy with BS about how Mexicans stole all their good jobs, and bogus conspiracy theories about pedophiles, and promises to force Christianity down everyone throat, ...

Trump and the Republicans carried on about Clinton getting paid for a Goldman Sachs speech. Then they installed the Goldman Sachs crowd who are at this very moment working to do away with the banking regulations put in place the last time we were robbed blind on the Republican watch.

When backed into a corner, they claim everybody does it, that the Democrats are no different than the Republicans.

BS

The last Republican president to leave the nation in better economic condition than he found it was Eisenhower. Looks like were are in for a repeat performance.

Working people who believe their lies and vote for them are voting against their own interest.

The constant "That's why Democrats lose" is not because Democrats have not been on the side of the working class, it's because they believe the lies Republicans tell them.

Instead of "deplorables," the name that fits more closely is "gullibles."

Look at this show. Dan works his whole life and he can't afford the medications he and his wife need. Cross dressing kid, mixed marriage, ... and just because Roseanne shouts out "MAGA," Trump supporters think they are watching a conservative show.
 
Old 04-03-2018, 12:12 PM
 
Location: crafton pa
979 posts, read 358,342 times
Reputation: 1194
Quote:
Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
It's not my opinion that Republicans undermine the right for workers to organize, they actually do that and have for decades.

It's not my opinion that Republicans oppose decent health insurance for working Americans, that gut labor law protections, ...

These are facts.

Republicans whip folks into a frenzy with BS about how Mexicans stole all their good jobs, and bogus conspiracy theories about pedophiles, and promises to force Christianity down everyone throat, ...

Trump and the Republicans carried on about Clinton getting paid for a Goldman Sachs speech. Then they installed the Goldman Sachs crowd who are at this very moment working to do away with the banking regulations put in place the last time we were robbed blind on the Republican watch.

When backed into a corner, they claim everybody does it, that the Democrats are no different than the Republicans.

BS

The last Republican president to leave the nation in better economic condition than he found it was Eisenhower. Looks like were are in for a repeat performance.

Working people who believe their lies and vote for them are voting against their own interest.

The constant "That's why Democrats lose" is not because Democrats have not been on the side of the working class, it's because they believe the lies Republicans tell them.

Instead of "deplorables," the name that fits more closely is "gullibles."

Look at this show. Dan works his whole life and he can't afford the medications he and his wife need. Cross dressing kid, mixed marriage, ... and just because Roseanne shouts out "MAGA," Trump supporters think they are watching a conservative show.
No, you've kind of missed the point. You are telling the working class that they SHOULD vote for people who espouse universal healthcare and unions. The working class are decidedly AGAINST those candidates. Who the heck are YOU to tell THEM what policies they should support? They are quite capable of deciding for themselves -- that's what democracy is supposed to be about, isn't it? You don't agree with them, and that's your right. It IS your opinion that these policies are what would serve the working class best. The working class voters themselves, though, disagree.

Again, instead of insulting these people and calling them "gullibles", how about listening to them and trying to do the type of things that will attract their votes? Or you can ignore them as the Dems have been. How did that work out for the Dems in 2016?

You just cannot seem to understand that perhaps the people themselves have a better grasp on what they need from a political candidate in particular and from government in general than you do. That type of elitist thinking is what got Dems in trouble in 2016, and I frankly see no sign that they've learned the lesson. Or perhaps they just really don't care about going after the votes of white, working class Americans.


Sure, Roseanne's not a conservative show. It's a show about white, working-class America. As I've said, these people are NOT really conservatives, but they're not liberals either. They have cross-dressers, homosexuals, and racially mixed family members. Even among those who lean conservative, do you really believe that ALL conservatives are racist bigots? I hope for your own sake that you do not. That is a caricature that is promoted by the left. Sure, there are conservatives who are racists, but by and large, conservatives behave quite similarly to the characters portrayed on Roseanne.

Last edited by stremba; 04-03-2018 at 12:22 PM..
 
Old 04-03-2018, 07:02 PM
 
28,206 posts, read 20,787,526 times
Reputation: 16599
Quote:
Originally Posted by ditchoc View Post
Rosanne said the show was about differing opinions, discussing the differences and finding common ground.

I can not help but think of the movie "Life of Pi" with a boy and a tiger in a boat. The USA is the boat and the boy and tiger end up needing each other to survive.
If this is what they were aiming for, they failed miserably tonight.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top