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People are watching for the nostalgia of the original show, the reason we tuned in, and nothing to do with Trump or the politics. From a show perspective they handled it very well and poked fun equally at both sides.
What I would say to those who think there is no way the original Rosanne would become a Trump supporter is that people like "Rosanne" the character are exactly what helped Trump win. If you listen to the reasons that "Rosanne" listed for her support, there was no hate on immigrants, gays or anyone else. It was simply a rebuke of establishment politics. She hated Hillary and saw her as the worst of what establishment politics is. She looked at her socio-economically depressed town and the decades of lip service from politicians that did nothing to help them. What "Rosanne" cares about are good jobs for honest, hard working people. Trump said some of the right things and she didn't feel there was anything to lose by voting for him since all those previous decades of voting for the regular politician didn't change anything. She pretty much acknowledges that she doesn't agree with everything he says or thinks, but he was different and after decades of the same, it was worth the roll of the dice.
Once you understand "Rosanne's" view point, you will understand how Trump won and that there is a segment of our population that has been left behind.
People are watching for the nostalgia of the original show, the reason we tuned in, and nothing to do with Trump or the politics. From a show perspective they handled it very well and poked fun equally at both sides.
What I would say to those who think there is no way the original Rosanne would become a Trump supporter is that people like "Rosanne" the character are exactly what helped Trump win. If you listen to the reasons that "Rosanne" listed for her support, there was no hate on immigrants, gays or anyone else. It was simply a rebuke of establishment politics. She hated Hillary and saw her as the worst of what establishment politics is. She looked at her socio-economically depressed town and the decades of lip service from politicians that did nothing to help them. What "Rosanne" cares about are good jobs for honest, hard working people. Trump said some of the right things and she didn't feel there was anything to lose by voting for him since all those previous decades of voting for the regular politician didn't change anything. She pretty much acknowledges that she doesn't agree with everything he says or thinks, but he was different and after decades of the same, it was worth the roll of the dice.
Once you understand "Rosanne's" view point, you will understand how Trump won and that there is a segment of our population that has been left behind.
That's precisely correct. The left is now too focused on Russian collusion, Trump's tweets, and all the other circus surrounding him to realize why exactly it is that Clinton lost. The people who voted for Trump because of his economic programs or his tougher stance on illegal immigration just are not going to be put off by all the things that the left thinks they should be put off by. Whether Trump has any chance of reelection in 2020, who knows? Lots of things can happen between now and 2020. However, it's not the foregone conclusion that many folks on the left think it is. He still has his base of support. Much will depend on events between now and the election as well as the candidate that the Dems put out there. If they put out a hard left, establishment type candidate and the economy performs reasonably well over the next two years, I could certainly see Trump getting reelected. The Dems certainly are not saying or doing anything to win over this segment of the population. Calling them a "basket of deplorables", telling the females in that population that they only voted as they did because their husbands told them to, or telling this population that they are "backwards-looking" is hardly a good way to secure their support.
I heard today that the final tally of ratings for the show were 25 million, not 18 million. Also heard Trump won't be mentioned on any of the other shows which are already in the can.
I heard today that the final tally of ratings for the show were 25 million, not 18 million. Also heard Trump won't be mentioned on any of the other shows which are already in the can.
Yup Sarah Gilbert has said more than once -- it isn't a political show.
Trump can't win with the base support. He just can't.
Look how you talk about 'this segment' of the population -- what are you talking about?
'This segment' -- sounds like some kind of unique creatures.
The Connors on Tv have a Mom who voted for Trump -- the rest of them didn't.
Oh -- is that how Trump won?
I am a Democrat and rather liberal, just for the record.
'This segment' would refer to blue collar, working class, traditionally democrat voters in rust belt states. A simple google search would uncover piles of analysis about the switch of these voters to Trump and the impact it had on the "blue wall". It was a phenomenon almost no one predicted would happen, yet Trump's campaign team (whether aided by Cambridge Analytica or not) found a raw nerve to strike. Ironically it was the much maligned Michael Moore who actually predicted this would happen pre-election based on his very real conversations with people in these areas.
The other person who was viewed very favorably by these voters was Bernie Sanders. Bernie would have crushed Trump in the election and his undermining by the DNC was another glaring example of establishment politics to this group and further reinforcement of their negative views on Hillary.
I happen to think the fictional TV family is pretty representative of this demographic and it is a group that Democrats would do well to understand heading into the midterms and 2020. I am NOT saying that the TV show is all encompassing, it is a caricature, but the overall trend and voting shift in this demographic has been heavily studied.
I remember Michael J Fox as a conservative in that 80’s sitcom...Family Ties? Not sure but they used a lot of humor back then to keep polical differences in perspective. It’s a tough thing now, just look at how unfunny late night talk shows have become they are so biased with no humor or opposition.
I like a few of the late night talk show hosts and I loved Family Ties. Micheal J. Fox just had "it". Can we have Alex Keaton as president instead?
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I think John Goodman is a great actor and generally I will see whatever he is in - except Roseanne. Can't stand her and it is not because she is lower or middle class or whatever social class her fictional family is supposed to be - she herself is very is low class. I just don't like her personally - wouldn't have her in my life, don't need her on my TV.
I don't like her either. I put her in the same category as Jerry Seinfeld..just not funny to me. About the only thing I can think of that she was in that I liked was Home On the Range and that was probably because it was animated. John Goodman seems great on the other hand.
That being said I don't think Roseanne is getting high ratings because of Trump. It's just because it was a popular show. People are also interested in reboots of classic shows. That's another factor. Fuller House started the trend.
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Then how do you explain the remakes in the movies that are also losing audiences?
I guess it doesn't work as well with movies.
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Yes your one experience doesn't void out the other poster's experience.
My son is good friends with a young man who is graduating this year form college. The parents REFUSE to accept the fact he's gay because of their deep seated religious. His own parents. Sure sure they love him but they don't accept his lifestyle.
It must be so hard on the kid.
Does that mean every conservative isn't accepting -- nope not at all......but it does happen.
That's sad. The worst part is being gay isn't just a lifestyle. It's an important part of who he is. Can they really say they love him if they don't accept who he's attracted to?
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I'd like to see Frasier return. I always thought he should have done a show where he was an in house shrink and confidant to a Bill Gates like character in Seattle Washington. Have some real screwballs in computer and software development in the company as his patients.
My mom would love a Frasier rerun. The actor who played the dad may have passed away but I think they could still do it.
I personally would like to see a reboot of Sabrina the Teenage Witch but I know they would never do it. They were supposed to do a movie where Harvey and her were married and it was more of a drama because I remember reading that their lives were in danger. Needless to say it got me salivating (it wasn't until I read about it that I was like oh yeah I so want this) but the cast was all wrong. I think that was their mistake. If they don't do it I had 7 seasons of enjoyment and two movies but it'd be cool.
What I want the most though is Phil of the Future since it ended on a cliffhanger but I know that will never happen for sure since he got fired.
I've heard it said that Hollywood no longer has any new ideas or the ability of original thought so all they're left with is reboots of old shows/movies.
There's several reboots on TV right now as well as remakes of old movies. Death Wish is the latest movie...
Rosanne said the show was about differing opinions, discussing the differences and finding common ground.
I can not help but think of the movie "Life of Pi" with a boy and a tiger in a boat. The USA is the boat and the boy and tiger end up needing each other to survive.
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