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Old 03-25-2018, 11:38 AM
 
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A gun is the most lethal weapon the general public can procure to inflict destruction and death to people, up close or from a distance. It should surprise NO ONE that there is honest fear to many people, and point at the gun as the problem.

Take the recent slew of school shootings, or the Las Vegas incident. Who's going to stop someone from a window high up at a distance? WHo will dare challenge a person with a gun in his hand, unless you yourself have a gun (the reason for those against more gun control). Damage can be inflicted much quicker with a gun than with a knife, a crossbow, or any other weapon. Sure it's not the gun that's the problem, but yet it is for the relative ease at which one can carry out their horror.

Terrorism, which these shootings are (no difference whether it's international or domestic), is a problem. Not going to stop what happened on 9/11, or the Boston Marathon, unless whatever the government has for anti-terrorism can stop a potential threat. But a gun in any form, assault or handgun, is what many advocating for change want to abolish.

I do not agree with abolishment. Nor to like the NRA or that hanging on to one's rights as a reason not to change. The future is cloudy. It's evident with these kids and their marches/voices. Their message is muddy, but for now it keeps the fire hot for someone at some level to do something. Is it Washington's responsibility to save us all? What about a balance of federal, state, and local government?

Not that anything will stop it all. Guns will never disappear from this earth, nor will fear. Maybe every school should be set up like a prison with those levels of protection. Maybe all business should operate like some jewelry stores in cities do, with bars, and only allowed to be buzzed into the store from the inside. How about airport security level stuff in every doorway?

Who knows where this is all heading. But I do feel there is a growing epidemic of hatred and terrorism, and the gun is the easiest way to do the deed of the evil.
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Old 03-25-2018, 11:40 AM
 
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And so we pass more laws that only punish the law abiding, because criminals do not obey laws?
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Old 03-25-2018, 11:42 AM
 
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And so we pass more laws that only punish the law abiding, because criminals do not obey laws?
I offered no solution. And simply looking at laws as the answer isn't the answer at all. I honestly don't know what the future of gun control will look like.
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Old 03-25-2018, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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A gun is the most lethal weapon the general public can procure to inflict destruction and death to people, up close or from a distance.
No it isn't.

You want to end school shootings? Do something about the kids who create school shooters, they aren't born that way and aren't created in a vacuum.
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Old 03-25-2018, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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OP has never heard what ammonium nitrate fertilizer and diesel fuel can do I guess...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

...or realize that the single biggest mass murder event in America in modern times was pulled off with box cutters.

Or that a crapload of French folks (far more than have been killed by any US mass shooting) were indiscriminately robbed of their lives with a regular box truck.

There will always be murderous nutbags out there in the world and there is no end to the creative ways nutbags can come up with to kill innocent people. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but no new law can be passed that would change that.
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Old 03-25-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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OP has never heard what ammonium nitrate fertilizer and diesel fuel can do I guess...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

...or realize that the single biggest mass murder event in America in modern times was pulled off with box cutters.

Or that a crapload of French folks (far more than have been killed by any US mass shooting) were indiscriminately robbed of their lives with a regular box truck.

There will always be murderous nutbags out there in the world and there is no end to the creative ways nutbags can come up with to kill innocent people. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but no new law can be passed that would change that.
Certainly can't disagree with that.
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Old 03-25-2018, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Every American should be given a gun.
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Old 03-25-2018, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Every time I go through a metal detector it squawks because of my metal knee replacements. There is no panacea.

High school kids are too immature to make decisions for the entire nation.

The age for voting, drinking and buying guns should be 21.
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Old 03-25-2018, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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A gun is the most lethal weapon the general public can procure to inflict destruction and death to people
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No it isn't.

You want to end school shootings? Do something about the kids who create school shooters, they aren't born that way and aren't created in a vacuum.
Exactly!

OP: What about the Texas bomber who was just killed, and Saipov the guy that killed 8 in NYC with his rental truck, McVeigh killed 170 and wounded 700.

The problem is simple minded people who fear a gun rather than the loons that get their hands on them. They instantly blame the gun rather than the people wielding them. This is why the UK is now having to ban knives, even kitchen knives, because thugs will find a way to kill people regardless of what any law or ban does.

Ban guns, they'll use blades; ban blades, they'll use bats, ban bats, they'll use whatever the hell they can find. You can't ban crazy and trying to do so is, itself, crazy! The only ones who will be punished are the tens of millions of law abiding gun owners.

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Every time I go through a metal detector it squawks because of my metal knee replacements. There is no panacea.

High school kids are too immature to make decisions for the entire nation.

The age for voting, drinking and buying guns should be 21.
I have to agree. WE are at a point where the lack of parenting has translated into less mature kids. That, and they have been immersed in shooter games from the time they are in grade school.

Gone are the days when schools actually had shooting clubs where father taught their sons and daughters to respect the power of weapons and how to use them properly.

As a society we have digressed thanks to a progressive agenda which has all but replaced parenting.

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Old 03-25-2018, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Focusing on "gun violence" is myopic; we have a violence problem.
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