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Old 03-30-2018, 11:03 PM
 
Location: NC
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And many should not exist in the first place. Even life forms on the bottom of the food chain are able to protect their environment but we have right wingers that are too greedy and/or stupid to care enough to do even that much for their relatively short time here on Earth.
there are a lot of "should"s in the world, also a lot of "should not"s.
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Old 03-31-2018, 01:01 AM
 
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If we don’t protect our planet we will eventually cease to exist.
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^^^THIS^^^

It's really just a simple fact to realize...

What could possibly be more important than protecting the future environment in which our descendants will most inevitably inherit?

Our descendents will need clean potable water much more than any 401K...

Our descendents will need to breathe clean air much more than any type of retirement plan...

If we continue on our current course of fossil fuel burning much longer, the whole idea about longevity and cashing in on retirement plans will suddenly become a moot point.

It has NOW become imperative for us to think primarily of cleaning up the environment when we think of "social security", and NOT so much monetary income, anymore...
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Old 03-31-2018, 02:01 AM
 
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EPA poised to scrap fuel economy targets that are key to curbing global warming

Pruitt is looking at relaxing the California inspired mpg mandates for auto manufacturers. This is driving up the cost of vehicles at an enormous rate, and following California’s lead on anything for the rest of the country doesn’t seem very smart.
What a disaster this presidency is.
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Old 03-31-2018, 02:04 AM
 
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Obama gave a mandate to his EPA that vehicles in 2025 should have and average of 54 MPG.
A Smart car and a Fiat 500 can't get anywhere near that. So what will the 2025 look like, weigh and what size engine? No matter how many gimmicks are placed on a fuel injected engine, they can't do anything about the 14.7/1 air/fuel ratio that must be maintained for proper combustion. And what happens to the beloved SUV?
The internal combustion engine has reached the end of its long journey.

The sooner we all come to terms with that, the better off our species will be in the long run.
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Old 03-31-2018, 02:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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EPA poised to scrap fuel economy targets that are key to curbing global warming

Pruitt is looking at relaxing the California inspired mpg mandates for auto manufacturers. This is driving up the cost of vehicles at an enormous rate, and following California’s lead on anything for the rest of the country doesn’t seem very smart.
trump needs to stay out of California and let California handle it themselves. Get rid of most of the EPA and only involve the EPA when there are disputes between the states.
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Old 03-31-2018, 02:24 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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I know as a libertarian I should support what Trump is doing but honestly, we've seen things like this happen in the past for things like dehumidifiers, refrigerators, water heaters, etc. and the companies are always able to step up to the plate, meet the standards, and life goes on. I would have kept the regulation in place. I also used to be quite anti-ethanol but truth be told they've gotten so efficient at it now it's actually a net energy positive. Sometimes a little government regulation to "push" along technological progress that otherwise isn't done because companies tend to be out to cut costs over anything else, can be a good thing. It forces them to put money into researching this tech.

Everybody says internal combustion engines are dead... no... not until we have hot swappable battery cells so we don't have to spend $3000 to replace a dying battery pack, cells that are compatible with every make and model of a vehicle, that can be exchanged at gas stations to extend range without having to wait around for a charge, and that is NEVER going to happen because companies love their proprietary tech so they can try to strangle the market with their overpriced accessories. Just ask Apple or Sony.
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Old 03-31-2018, 04:45 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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The real insanity at the EPA is Scott Pruitt. Steals $$$ for fancy trips, first class travel and the latest is his sweetheart rental from a company EPA is "supposed to" regulate. What a crook!!
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Old 03-31-2018, 05:00 AM
 
Location: Sacramento, Placerville
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EPA poised to scrap fuel economy targets that are key to curbing global warming

Pruitt is looking at relaxing the California inspired mpg mandates for auto manufacturers. This is driving up the cost of vehicles at an enormous rate, and following California’s lead on anything for the rest of the country doesn’t seem very smart.

Why is it not smart? The estimated cost increases at the retail level for improving fuel economy run from nothing to about $4,000, depending on the vehicle. The estimates for consumers recovering those costs for average driving habits when the 54.5 mpg economy standard was put into place was about three to four years for most vehicles. Even the vehicles that would't recover costs within four years should save more than the increased costs over the life of the vehicle.

Also, that 54.5 mpg figure is an average. Some of the new cars will be electric. Maybe a few hybrids. Others will have new engines that improve efficiency, which we are already seeing. Additionally, lighter materials will be used to reduce the weight of vehicles. And for people who think they need something that guzzles gas to pick up a loaf of bread at the grocery store, I'm sure there will be something available. However, it will get 20 mpg rather than 17 mpg.
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Old 03-31-2018, 05:04 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t mind saving money on gas. Plus, you know, it be nice if my children can have a livable future on this planet.

Good thing you have the liberty to decide that for yourself.
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Old 03-31-2018, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Sacramento, Placerville
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Everybody says internal combustion engines are dead... no... not until we have hot swappable battery cells so we don't have to spend $3000 to replace a dying battery pack, cells that are compatible with every make and model of a vehicle, that can be exchanged at gas stations to extend range without having to wait around for a charge, and that is NEVER going to happen because companies love their proprietary tech so they can try to strangle the market with their overpriced accessories. Just ask Apple or Sony.
I don't think internal combustion engines are going away anytime soon. I think we are going to end up with a lot of electric cars that will work just fine for most people who commute to work within a reasonable distance from home. Anyone else will have a hybrid that can be charged up at home, then run the engine to keep the vehicle going for distances beyond the initial charge. And yes, I think it is very likely there will be a battery exchange option if someone figures out a good business model for it.
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