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Old 04-02-2018, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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It's all about money. Stop pissing our money away overseas. Bring it home and then you'll have enough to pay fro programs and centers and whatever else it takes.... Also I'd legalize, control, tax, all drugs......
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:25 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What makes you think they will stand around and let you shoot them? With our super tough gun laws I'm sure that if they felt threatened they could arm themselves, dontcha think?
How did you come to that conclusion?
If they have a gun, they are not too bad off.
Guns are currency in hard times.
What makes you think they will stand around? I made no assumption to that effect. You did.
Desperation has no one standing around.


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Starvation or motivation....Opportunity is all around us. Just be armed when they get desperate. Mother Nature has always naturally culled the weak, before they brought the species down....
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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We've been down this road before; there is a point at which both the most dysfunctional of the beneficiaries of the societal "safety net", and the functionaries operating it simply fail to communicate, and the rational majority caught in between pays the price. Sooner or later, there will be some sort of crisis, probably a public health issue, and the pragmatists will take the bull by the horns, and the supposed "rights" of the irrational minority will go into the trash bin -- the duration, severity, and definition of the worst abuses (on both sides) to be identified and addressed as the issue plays itself out. I'm sure you and your fellow do-gooders will protest loud and long, but there are turning points at which we all have to live in the here and now.
No one is going to round up the homeless and put them in camps no matter how much you like the idea. There is no "bull to take by the horns" It is unconstitutional to forcibly relocate people or restrict their freedom of movement when they have not committed a crime or been adjudicated as gravely disabled mentally ill by a court of law. You can't change that and Dear Leader can't change that because it is part of our constitution.
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Get them off the streets and into a place where there can be a strong incentive to play by the rules of a civilized society; the rest is just a matter of fine-tuning.



Yu begin with what's known as vagrancy statute; they were quite common in an era when adult men outnumbered adult women and family structure was stronger. We don't need to revert to something quite that harsh, but a basic contract of social (and societal) responsibility needs to be re-formulated and re-established.
“ off the streets and into a place...”

What place?

Where is this place?

Is it next to your home?

Who pays for this place?

Thousands live in places not intended for human inhabitation in Palm Beach County, not too far from Mar-a- Lago.
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:43 AM
 
Location: USA
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“ off the streets and into a place...”

What place?

Where is this place?

Is it next to your home?

Who pays for this place?

Thousands live in places not intended for human inhabitation in Palm Beach County, not too far from Mar-a- Lago.
All good questions. No easy answers.
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Set up an environment such that businesses can create jobs. At that point the "homeless" have 2 choices, get a job and become a useful member of society. Or set up some camps in the desert with lots of barbed wire. OK, 3rd choice for the mentally ill-increase the number of asylums we have to provide help for those that truly need it. Clean up the streets and get the bums out. More important-instill some degree of shame for being a bum. Far too many are choosing this as a lifestyle.
We are at or close to so called “full employment”.

No shortage of jobs in most places that require little to no skill and pay accordingly.

Not all homeless people are unemployed.

Who pays for dead end camps in the desert? Beds, utilities, kitchens, food, security, education and healthcare costs $

State asylums were costly, politically embarrassing institutions that began to close in the 50’s. Some trended House of Horrors. Who pays for the resurrection of institutions?
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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“ off the streets and into a place...”

What place?

Where is this place?

Is it next to your home?

Who pays for this place?

Thousands live in places not intended for human inhabitation in Palm Beach County, not too far from Mar-a- Lago.
Oh don’t you know? This place is right next to that other place that creates new jobs
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Born in L.A. - NYC is Second Home - Rustbelt is Home Base
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I'm honestly curious about this because half of the posts on this board are trashing liberals for homelessness that happens in cities.

So what's the conservative, small-government plan to get them off drugs and integrated into society?
I am a conservative in some areas. I am for gun rights, the 2A and against legal drugs and homosexual marriage.

But, neither party is any good for taking care of the homeless issue with the Reps being worse at it. The Reps have no plan, it lets society sink or swim on its own.

Lets take healthcare as an example. Best the Dems could do was to force people to buy high priced, useless healthcare. Best the Reps could do was to repeal the fine and give us nothing. So I prefer the party of big biz...the Reps. I can keep my guns and not be fined for not being able to afford high priced useless healthcare.

In 2018 that is what America has come down to.
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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you really want to know a conservative plan.

not our problem, tell them to get a job and be productive and responsible
Not all homeless people are unemployed.
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Not a conservative, but the correct answer is always private charity.
And when private charity is not enough?

Most big name charities are primarily funded by government grants, not private donations.
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