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Old 04-02-2018, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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Not all homeless people are unemployed.
I think we are talking more about the chronically homeless....the ones who are not employable, and who are unable to take advantage of shelters and programs which exist already.

In my town, there is a plan using private and public money to build a village of tiny houses for homeless veterans. It will be interesting to see how successful it is. The homes will belong to the homeless person and they can live however they want, with only a few restrictions, like illegal activities or being dangerous to others. They will need to pay something, depending on their resources.
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I am a Conservatarian, and that's what I think also. Salvation Army is one of the best as are religious based charities. United Way is a scam. Also get them into AA, and rehab programs.
Hard pressed to think of a charity that provides a semblance of housing that does not receive government grants, including Salvation Army.

The SA specializes in temporary shelters and first month rent assistance for homeless seniors.

Catholic Charities is a massive conduit between government and those in need at a very local level.

United Way donates to both SA and CC at the local level.

Court - ordered AA and rehab does not work. Heck, voluntary AA and rehabs only work if the substance abuser works it. There is no magic cure for alcoholism and addiction.

An alcoholic or addict’s brain has been retired to protect and sustain addiction. Someone deep into addiction needs their next drink or fix the way a normie needs their next breath. One would think being homeless would be the so called “ rock bottom”. And yet someone in the through of addiction just keep on digging.
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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In many cases they are on the street by choice
True in some cases.
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:16 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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Every city and town should set their own homelessness policy. But basically, all the homeless people need to be documented and assessed. There are so many reasons for being homeless. And because of this crisis, another good reason why America needs to make all illegals leave and to take their children with them.

If someone is capable of working, they could be provided low cost shelter by the municipality in exchange for doing any work they are able to, including jobs once held by illegals. For housing, the municipality would have to assess what they have at their disposal. Maybe a foreclosed property or older building in need of rehab. Maybe some of the homeless would have construction skills or could learn some trades through these rehab projects.

For those with mental illness, well many veterans only want to sleep outside. So perhaps the VA could see about building veterans housing in a country setting and allow those vets to camp out on the grounds but be monitored by staff. And this would provide jobs for those country and rural areas that need good jobs and where the real estate is cheap.

And also, we could build some rehab complexes in areas with low COL to treat those homeless with addiction issues.

Once any addiction issues are addressed, they could be sent to a secondary support center that also includes housing, but they would need to be put to work in order to stay there. Possible jobs could be in agriculture in the fields. They could be shuttled there by bus. Work conditions would be monitored to make sure that they get breaks, meal breaks and access to water and such. But the point is to transition back into the workforce and a daily routine.

All homeless support centers would provide daily counseling/check-ins to make sure that the new good lifestyle habits are being followed and enforced. And there should be plenty of off work activities. Group sports. Career counseling. Groups support groups like AA too. Many homeless fell off the grid when hit with a life crisis. This would be a way to pull them back into society.

And funding? Well the big cities like LA, San Francisco and Seattle should want to fund solutions to their homeless problem.

And with all this in place, cities and towns should not be tolerating the homeless camped out on sidewalks. They need to be removed immediately and not let others take their place.

Otherwise, the problem with helping out the current batch of homeless, is that many more are out there to take their place. There will always be a percentage of lazy but capable people who seek out these handouts so that they can coast through life.
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:17 AM
 
Location: USA
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This thread has confirmed my suspicions: that the conservative plan is to 1.) blame liberals, 2.) move the homeless to some unspecified location where they're off the streets (news flash: these already exist), 3.) create jobs somehow (more trickle-down fairy tales), etc.
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Avondale, Chicago
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It's all about money. Stop pissing our money away overseas. Bring it home and then you'll have enough to pay fro programs and centers and whatever else it takes.... Also I'd legalize, control, tax, all drugs......
This is something close to a legitimate solution.

For all the handwringing done about homeless people and illegal immigrants, their net "taking" is a drop in the bucket compared to our silly nation-building misadventures overseas, that accomplishes little besides increasing the population of homeless veterans.
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:19 AM
 
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I think that a big problem is that people want to help the homeless, but still keep them as almost a sect of untouchable, like a caste system. We want them helped but not in our neighborhoods.
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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First, we'll pretend these statutes aren't already in place in many jurisdictions. So they go to jail and/or get fined. What does that solve?
Assumes there are adequate beds, food and healthcare in jails.
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:25 AM
 
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And when private charity is not enough?

Most big name charities are primarily funded by government grants, not private donations.
What about when state run charity at gunpoint isn't enough? Sorry utopia doesnt exist.
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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The three most common causes of homelessness are unemployment, addiction, and mental problems. The first cause is easier for local, state, and federal governments to address. Lower roadblocks for people to start their own business, lower or remove those taxes that increase the cost of starting a new business, and partner up with charity organizations to help the unemployed homeless to clean up, get a physical mailing address, and have more of an opportunity at employment.

You can’t force an addict to quit until they’re ready to quit. You may removethe drugs and alcohol from their system, but you haven’t removed the psychological addiction. Until they’re ready to get clean, they won’t get clean.

For those with mental problems, that is a more difficult problem. Some can be treated and get good results from the treatment. Some can’t be treated enough to function on their own. Such patients require round the clock care for their own protection. Not long ago mental facilities were so horrible they made the worse horror film look like Bambi. They were rightly shut down. This doesn’t mean they should have been completely eliminated.
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