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Old 04-02-2018, 11:44 PM
 
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What if someone breaks into your house and steals all of your stuff, including your guns that were locked up in a safe or some other container? Should you go to jail?
No, she apparently thinks they should lose the privilege of owning a gun for the rest of their life.
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Old 04-02-2018, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Houston
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As long as there was no intent in leaving it unlocked, you shouldn't go to jail, right?
How about people not steal other peoples stuff? Mebbe we need bigger prisons?
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Old 04-03-2018, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Yes your problem as long as you remain (willfully or otherwise) ignorant of what these students are asking for. Here's a big giant hint - their current school environment is NOT what they asked for.
They asked that their school be made safer. It's safer. Not sure why they and you don't see that they got exactly what they asked for.
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Old 04-03-2018, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Or commonsense gun control could include charging your neighbor for his or negligence in keeping a large quantity of guns where they would be accessible to a thief.

My gun control would include someone like that - a proven risk of being negligent with his guns - prohibited from ever owning guns again. Owning guns should be considered a privilege that he relinquished with his behavior.

OMG this is hysterical.

If a gun owners guns are stolen it's HIS or HER fault, and they should lose their Constitutional rights?? By your reasoning if someone steals your car and kills someone with it you should never be allowed to own a car again... and driving IS a privilege, not a right. Even that example isn't as insane as your premise.

This is the kind of crap that people with common sense can't wrap their heads around, because it's senseless. Since you do not believe the SCOTUS ruling that owning a gun is a right, that you would obviously ignore that law if given the authority, YOU would fit right in with the SacraMental law makers here in CA who interpret laws as they see fit... even if it's illegal.
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Old 04-03-2018, 02:14 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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What they asked for was to not have to face gun in their schools, not being made to feel like they were in jail. Be careful what you accuse people of, because you may look like either a liar or an idiot if you can't distinguish between two completely different things.
You know, this remains me of the intelligence business.

The information security regulations back in the 80s required that ANY contact with a person of a Warsaw Pact country had to be reported to one's superior security agency. One of the women in my belly dancing class was an immigrant from Czechoslovakia(then) and I had to report that contact to NIS (then). Leaving out a lot of the tension, I met with the agent and did a security interview.

To my classmate, she was shocked that this happened; she thought she had left such things back behind the Iron Curtain.

SHRUG. In the intelligence business, people are always looking over another's shoulder, sometimes openly, sometimes cladestine. One just accepts it and carries on with their job but to the people on the outside, I find that they cannot understand such a way of life.

When it comes to security, people are going to be inconvenienced, one way or another. Having done physical security, I usually saw the angry ones in the sense of "How DARE I have the gall to stop them and search their cars.".

Well, if anything else, the enemy that sees I am not complacent, that I do look, search, and question, that I am ready to respond with force.............................may decide that he ought to look for an easier target.

Anti, like in anti terrorism, it's all the measures one takes so they are less likely the target.

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..........Commonsense actions to protect school kids would be to treat schools like courthouses. Metal detectors, armed guards (or armed teachers) etc. Crazies do not attack any place where they know a good guy with a gun might shoot back. They only go for gun free zones where they know they'll have free reign.
Reminds me on an exercise given to me about 4 years after the service: "This building is now a Federal Courthouse...secure it!".

I don't recall all my techniques but it involved that NO ONE gets to park next to the building, everyone is driven in. "You are going to tell a federal judge he can't have his own parking space?"......."HECK, I'll put them in limos!". CCTV and two security forces, the SWAT unseen until activated and visible, seek out, inquiring, "friendly", hand to hand force. The ones who study people and approach anyone who might need "assistance".

Further, while it was not the same exercise, I am the devious type. I'll put undercover agents into friendly crowds of civilians so to look for enemy agents and confederates. It's a reversal of an old skyjacker trick where not all the skyjackers may reveal themselves at the same time.

Now, is that all commonsense? I rather hope not for one's tricks should not be obvious....but it does show how this world can work.

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Or commonsense gun control could include charging your neighbor for his or negligence in keeping a large quantity of guns where they would be accessible to a thief.

My gun control would include someone like that - a proven risk of being negligent with his guns - prohibited from ever owning guns again. Owning guns should be considered a privilege that he relinquished with his behavior.
20/20 hindsight, is it not?

Where in after the fact, one has all the answers of what should have been done. Darn if you, darn if you don't. Sort of like the cops should not have believed Jeffrey Dahlmer that it was a gay lover quarrel but should have proceeded. On the other hand, had it been a gay lover quarrel and had they gone in, we would be hearing about police harassment.

I have used over the years at times, levels of camouflage security. For a quarter of a century, I live in apartments that the locals considered the ghetto of town. It served me well for among other things, what could someone who lived there have to steal? My ammo and parts were not delivered to my apartment but to a store front.

You say "proven risk of being negligent" but who is determining that risk and on what basis? If no one knows what is there and finds it because they are there for something else, is it being negligent? How can it be negligent if one took considerable opportunity of their surroundings?

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Old 04-03-2018, 02:40 AM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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They'll get used to it. I think the bigger question is whether the principal, vice principal, counselors and teachers are subject to the same regulation as the students. They should also have to use clear bags/clear backpacks to bring their supplies/items to the school.
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Old 04-03-2018, 04:57 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Talk, talk, talk, and yet again nothing gets done. We had an assault weapons ban for ten years. it delineated types of weapons and accessories, turn in procedures, penalties. It was tested in court. It was never repealed, it expired. It could be back in force tomorrow if it was reinstated exactly as it expired.

If the election arrives and there is nothing I will consider the entire Congress a failure and will vote against every incumbent on the ballot. Both Party's are failures. No loss
That ban didn't ban anyone from buying those weapons. You either know this or you don't. Which is it.
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Old 04-03-2018, 05:04 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I bet you also blame the woman for wearing a skirt when and if she gets raped, right?
Apparently. They've done nothing but blame innocent people for the massacre and wonder why there is push back. They can only blame innocent people for so long before they are the apparent "nut job" with zero logic.
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Old 04-03-2018, 05:28 AM
 
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Yes your problem as long as you remain (willfully or otherwise) ignorant of what these students are asking for. Here's a big giant hint - their current school environment is NOT what they asked for.
They asked to be safe AT SCHOOL. The extra security measures taken by THE SCHOOL comes much closer to accomplishing that than removing law-abiding citizens' 2nd Amendment Rights.
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Old 04-03-2018, 06:05 AM
 
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They wanted a police state, they got one. Tell them to stop whining.
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