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View Poll Results: Should the US military be deployed to the border?
Yes 135 60.54%
No 88 39.46%
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Old 04-04-2018, 04:20 PM
 
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The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of federal military personnel to "execute the laws".

We'll see what he ends up doing, because the story has evolved from using active duty military to arrest illegals, to using National Guard in support roles.

I don't think there is a problem with TX or AZ sending the National Guard to help with things at the border.

Yeah, that was in 1878 and Congress passed the Enforcement Acts and then the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007.


Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies." It provided that:
The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

Federal military personnel have a long history of domestic roles, including the occupation of secessionist Southern states during Reconstruction. The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of federal military personnel to "execute the laws"; however, there is disagreement over whether this language may apply to troops used in an advisory, support, disaster response, or other homeland defense role, as opposed to domestic law enforcement.



President Eisenhower did it in the 50's. He placed the Arkansas National Guard under federal control and sent 1,000 U.S. Army paratroopers from the 101st Airborne Division to assist them in restoring order in Little Rock. All the President needs to say is they are there to assist the National Guard or in this case Border Patrol.

Nobody is going to impeach the President over this.
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Old 04-04-2018, 04:31 PM
 
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Name one developed country that uses the military to guard their borders. Half the developed world (European Union) doesn't even have borders per se.

Israel...South Korea.....but then again others developed countries don't have millions of poor low skill uneducated immigrants pouring in their countries and being a strain on their public services and public schools.


Borders fall under federal jurisdiction per the U.S. Constitution. Does it matter to you which federal employee does it?

We send troops all over the world to defend and die protecting embassies, bases, and other countries borders but you take offense of using our professionals in our military to assist Border Patrol in our country on a temporary basis? lol
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Old 04-04-2018, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Yeah, that was in 1878 and Congress passed the Enforcement Acts and then the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007.


Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies." It provided that:
The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

Federal military personnel have a long history of domestic roles, including the occupation of secessionist Southern states during Reconstruction. The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of federal military personnel to "execute the laws"; however, there is disagreement over whether this language may apply to troops used in an advisory, support, disaster response, or other homeland defense role, as opposed to domestic law enforcement.



President Eisenhower did it in the 50's. He placed the Arkansas National Guard under federal control and sent 1,000 U.S. Army paratroopers from the 101st Airborne Division to assist them in restoring order in Little Rock. All the President needs to say is they are there to assist the National Guard or in this case Border Patrol.

Nobody is going to impeach the President over this.
Right, " natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition".....and even then they are not executing laws.

Immigration enforcement........not quite there. Not even close.
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Old 04-04-2018, 05:23 PM
 
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Well, tens of millions of our taxpayer funds to mobilize troops on the border is much cheaper than a 20 BILLION dollar wall. This is much better than the alternative.

This is a win win for everyone. Trump feels good about it, like he's done something. And the American taxpayers don't have to worry about twenty billion of their money building a dumb wall. Everyone is happy. I'm fine with this.
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Old 04-04-2018, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Right, " natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition".....and even then they are not executing laws.

Immigration enforcement........not quite there. Not even close.
A caravan coming up from Central America stating that they "will" enter this country, not ask, not apply, "WILL", is more than just "enforcement" issues. "Other condition" leaves that door open.

The liberals are just going to have to get the hell over it. The illegals are not coming in.
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Old 04-04-2018, 05:54 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Uh ok.... let me ask you this. After we get "rid" of them all, who are you going to hate next?
You mistake not wanting a porous border where anyone can just waltz in and being totally in favor of CITIZENS being the only people competing for available jobs,healthcare,seats in school etc as hate.

You mistake being tired of wages being depressed by illegal workers and additional crimes being perpetrated by people who shouldn't be here to begin with as hate.

Are you sure YOU aren't the one with an issue?
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Old 04-04-2018, 05:55 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Well, tens of millions of our taxpayer funds to mobilize troops on the border is much cheaper than a 20 BILLION dollar wall. This is much better than the alternative.

This is a win win for everyone. Trump feels good about it, like he's done something. And the American taxpayers don't have to worry about twenty billion of their money building a dumb wall. Everyone is happy. I'm fine with this.
They get paid whether they're sitting on a base or standing on the border...
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Old 04-04-2018, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Florida
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A caravan coming up from Central America stating that they "will" enter this country, not ask, not apply, "WILL", is more than just "enforcement" issues. "Other condition" leaves that door open.

The liberals are just going to have to get the hell over it. The illegals are not coming in.
a caravan Trump needs to realize when he is being played
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Old 04-04-2018, 06:11 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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An interesting side note: During the attack on Pearl Harbor, some brave pilots climbed in their aircraft and took off to attack the Japanese invaders. One pilot even shot down a few Zeros and recieived a Distinguished Flying Cross for doing so. Unfortunately, appeals to Congress for a Congressional Medal of Honor were rejected on account of the Congress not having declared war yet.

So you see, even back then Congress was full of idiots.
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Old 04-04-2018, 06:11 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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a caravan Trump needs to realize when he is being played
Is he, or are the open border anti-wall crowd now being played? If the Guard on the border stops either all or most of the current illegal activities going on he'll win "big time"...
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