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Interesting, and if true, it makes a good point.
Can you give a reference of some sort?
Comparing Sweden to USA is fruitless. Sweden has 10M people and 2.4 million (24%) have a first generation foreign background.
Is anyone prepared to claim that 24% of the population of America has a first generation foreign background?
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Almost by definition:
"A society is high-trust if citizens’ and organizations’ behavior towards each other is predictable. In such a society, actors follow broadly understood norms of behavior, supported by the rule of law. This is fundamental to the accumulation of social capital and economic growth.
Citizens in a low-trust society are challenged by divergent or opaque behavioral norms. This makes behavior of others unpredictable, impairing social capital and economic activity. These societies may experience high levels of corruption and inequality."
You connect the dots.
I don't see your point, you just sound prejudiced. I don't have distrust of all the different ethnicities I deal with on a day to day basis
Crime has skyrocketed. Stockholm police now carry automatic weapons. Criminal gangs in Malmo have turned to using grenades. A '60 minutes' crew from Australia was attacked when their police escort squad was separated from them. And so on. Sweden is in the process of trying to clean up the mess. Some of it may be irreversible.
Shanty towns in Sweden is nothing new. We had them 100 years ago too.
Anti tank weapons were used in the biker wars during the 1990s.
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Malmo, which is now majority immigrant
Malmö does not have a majority of immigrants. There are plenty of them, but far from a majority.
If you are going to keep starting threads about Sweden, could you at least get your facts straight?
And also, read other authors than the Sanandaji brothers.
"A society is high-trust if citizens’ and organizations’ behavior towards each other is predictable. In such a society, actors follow broadly understood norms of behavior, supported by the rule of law. This is fundamental to the accumulation of social capital and economic growth.
Citizens in a low-trust society are challenged by divergent or opaque behavioral norms. This makes behavior of others unpredictable, impairing social capital and economic activity. These societies may experience high levels of corruption and inequality."
You connect the dots.
That is why homogenous societies like Japan, and until the Muslim invasion, Scandinavia, and even Europe, and England had/have more success with inner city violent crime. U.S. violent crime is mainly inner city, Black, on Black crime. It is a societal, cultural problem, not a legal gun availability problem.
..............the Danish migration minister, Inger Stojberg, said her country would not be coming to the rescue, and added: “Sweden has had an irresponsible refugee policy for years. They have put themselves in this situation.”
Says it all. Sweden did this to themselves. We don't have to guess what large scale refugee intake looks like. It's right in front of us. We can either learn from the experience of Sweden (and the experience of other European nations mentioned in the article) or we can ignore their experience. It ain't rocket science.
I wish we could discuss this topic like adults. There are so many B.S. arguments I don't know where to even start.
Let's start with this -- "Liberal immigration" is a phrase that means whatever you want it to mean. If you hate liberals, you're going to interpret that in a negative way. No one can use a phrase like "Liberal immigration" and expect a sane discussion to result from it.
About "immigration" -- That word includes skilled first-world immigration, temporary work visas, refugees, foreign athletes, foreign diplomats, illegal immigrants, et cetera. It isn't really a helpful word to use on its own.
About Sweden -- Their problems aren't caused by 'immigration' exactly, their problems are caused by refugee policy. If a country lets in hundreds of thousands of the world's poorest people, the problems that creates goes way beyond "immigration."
There's nothing self-inflicted about the nightmare. This was pushed on Sweden by outside forces.
What outside forces?
Sweden thought it could be a leader in compassionate refugee treatment, and help lead the world in this regard. It was very idealistic and somewhat naive about the consequences.
i think they expected to be part of an international pro-refugee coalition that included USA, Canada, Australia, Britain, etc, but instead it was mostly just Sweden and Germany.
One of their main failures was the inability/unwillingness to distinguish between, say, a Syrian fleeing Civil War vs someone who was safe and just wanted to live in a nicer country.
The Bonnier Family (Dagens Nyheter), David Schwarz, et al. The change in Sweden's perspective was due to propaganda and manipulation by another ethnic group. To your point, the success of that manipulation had something to do with the idealism and naivete you noted.
Left to their own devices, the Swedes had a healthy focus on their own self-interest into the 1960's.
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