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Old 04-10-2018, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Haley would be better than Kamila the man mauler Harris.
Tulsi Gabbard would be better than either one by a country mile.
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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This is a really defeatist statement IMO.
Can she see into the future?
Never say never. Stranger things have happened.


I think we could have been friendlier with Russia had Trump handled this whole administration in a less underhand way and had just been honest from the start.

Many countries within our lifetimes have undergone massive cultural change and revolution.
Who knows what will happen in the future?
That is one way too look at it but I am in the camp of the U S does not want good relations with Russia. Trump made no secret about wanting a better relationship with Russia and he was stopped dead in his tracks. Haley plays a key role in letting the world know the U S still has the same bullying neo con foreign policy.
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Tulsi Gabbard would be better than either one by a country mile.
She's a Commie Bernie Sanders supporter. Hardly a better choice than Haley.
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:46 PM
 
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Russia will not be our friends any time in the near future, and not as long as a good portion of the defense budget depends on Russia being an aggressor (how else to justify 100's of billions in elaborate weapons program).

But I do not understand how/why the US bends over backwards for other hostile states like Saudi Arabia and China, essentially turning an eye to things they do. US businesses and economic policies essentially funded China's military and in-roads to the international stage, to the point top military leaders say "China is our greatest adversary" and requests further military resources in the Pacific. As for Saudi Arabia, one of the most brutal regimes in the world, counter to about everything the US stands for, I probably do not need to explain much about their involvement in conflicts that harm the US.
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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She's a Commie Bernie Sanders supporter. Hardly a better choice than Haley.
She may be, but she also has by far the best foreign policy among Democrats; as good as Rand, Amash, Massie, and Mike Lee.

Rand 2020, but if he brought her along as VP I wouldn't complain.
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Old 04-10-2018, 01:28 PM
 
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Haley says Russia will never be our friends.


That's not what our RWNJ friends here tell us.

Who allowed her to say that? Did she clear it with Dear Leader first?
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Old 04-10-2018, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Trump has put sanctions on Russia to back up the UK, and kicked out Russian diplomats.

Trump's Energy Policy is anti Russia, as it is pro domestic production which reduces Russian revenue, and per unit profits. It is a direct slap in the face to Putin, and his pocket book.

Trump's Defense Policy is anti Russia, and his funding of the military is evidence.

So, tell me again how Trump likes Russia?

How about it "LWNJ's"?
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Old 04-10-2018, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Haley says Russia will never be our friends.


That's not what our RWNJ friends here tell us.

Who allowed her to say that? Did she clear it with Dear Leader first?
It's fascinating to see how left-Statists have morphed into the John Birch Society.

For me personally as a libertarian, I really couldn't care less about which government decides to be friends with which other government. All States are evil.

A free, voluntary, peaceful society is so much better than this.
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Old 04-10-2018, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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Russia will not be our friends any time in the near future, and not as long as a good portion of the defense budget depends on Russia being an aggressor (how else to justify 100's of billions in elaborate weapons program).
Exactly, good relations with Russia is bad for the pockets of the MIC and to their advantage it easy as stealing candy from a one armed baby to stir hostile anti Russia sentiment to the American people.
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Old 04-10-2018, 02:20 PM
 
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What, you think the military industrial complex is a conspiracy theory or something?
Ironically, or perhaps not, liberals are now pro-MIC since that the NatSec Complex came out against Trump.

They're as politically knowledgeable and consistent as they were in Seattle 1999 when they lit the city on fire in an anti-globalization protest.

They are essentially an emotional mob, prone to violence and emotional ploys to a vague "progress", with close to nil true historical or political knowledge.

Their largest advances come when a particularly under-educated contingent becomes especially loud over a demand for economic or social rent (unearned advantage).

Its especially fun to watch them squirm, in the present day, over their adopted MIC's long obvious war designs and their previous conscious. Don't want to seem politically conflicted and disown the MIC, but am uncomfortable with killing. What to do?

The East is why our elites LARP on about tranny rights. Its a social weapon against the more conservative East. It erodes our social structures, but it also erodes theirs. And theirs are more fragile to such change (especially in the Islamist world).

We win and dominate from a static geographic position, in-spite and in-part because of the weaponized social degeneracy. Of course, that'll all revert one day if it and its associated ideologies don't kill us first (civilizationally).

However, for now its part of the forever war against the East. Note how we can pretty much get away with invading people now because they aren't progressive enough. Or otherwise pin supposed flaws in some periodic democratic process on a lack of progressiveness and then invade or intimidate into compliance. If and when we wanted to.

Its ironic and amusing to watch liberals, who mostly understand nothing, attempt to impotently co-op MIC style anti-Russia war rhetoric as if they've always been banging the war drums.

What they like, for now, is globalization and anti-Russia war rhetoric.

When you know that they were crying about Peace when GWB was doing the same exact work when he invaded Iraq, as was Obama when he coddled the Syrian War into perpetual existence, and you know that they were burning Seattle for anti-globalization in 1999.

Its like watching a dog chase a bone. Flip, flop, flip... Look over here, sparky! There is absolutely zero sense of a political center, even over relatively short periods of time. Their perspectives and values can be flipped almost on a dime, which is a property of having almost zero political nor historical knowledge as well as being emotionally primed to react to certain triggers.

Re: Russia.

Russia is a natural enemy because of its geographic position. Nothing can change that. If you live here, your interests probably reside here. If you live there, your interests probably reside there. Russia is simply too close to East Asia to be our friend. Its interests lie there, not here.

There is limited political and economic pie, world dominance wise. Moreover, there are critical regions between here and there that Russia stands in the way of. I like many Russians (its a large disparate nation). However, the geographically based political animosity will always continue because the world can't be controlled from multiple locuses. For many reasons. And giving up control in one spot means that another spot will be invaded and lost.

Haley isn't wrong. She knows the score. Just realize she has absolutely zero to do with anything whatsoever.

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