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Old 04-14-2018, 01:06 AM
 
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Minnesota is the Midwest version of New Jersey.
Oh, my God, no!

They are completely unalike in every possible way.

New Jersey is the armpit of America.

Minnesota is the jewel in the crown.
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Old 04-14-2018, 01:33 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Is it liberal in the CA/Pelosi, Boxer sense or more in the populist sense?
That is a complicated question to answer and depends on how you define populist. As far as I can tell there are three versions of the DFL. In the Twin Cities suburbs and most of outstate MN the DFL tend to be establishment oriented - similar to the centrist wing of the national Democratic party but less partisan and more focused on good government than Pelosi or Schumer - less fake seeming too. In Duluth and the Iron Range the DFL is the classic old school union Democrat version of the party - like the Democrats in Michigan. In Minneapolis and St Paul proper, and among the young, the DFL is a left wing party in the mold of northern European social democrats. That wing is far to the left of Pelosi and Boxer and tends to be working class and lower middle class rather than the sort of limousine liberals who run the Bay Area. Socialism is not a dirty word in Minneapolis or St Paul. In 2016 Sanders won the Minnesota Caucuses by 23 points. In state government the DFL is usually about a 50/50 split between moderates and the left but both wings generally work together.

Minnesota has some quirks which make it a political outlier. It is one of only a handful of states where the white working class still votes Democratic. According to polling it has the least conservative evangelical christians in the country - they still trend Republican but only by a few points. And the Green Party has held at least one seat on the Minneapolis city council since 2001.

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Old 04-14-2018, 03:28 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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The fact is blue states have better schools because we invest in their education and pay teachers more. But they still don't get paid enough
DC spends more per student than any state and they also have the lowest performance.

Minnesota test scores for ACT & SAT is very high but North Dakota (red state) next to them is the highest average. Good schools are helpful but the best predictor of success are the parents, not the schools.
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Old 04-14-2018, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Rankings of the best state education systems are dominated by blue (and some purple) states at the top.

Minnesota is #10 in this ranking by Education Week (via USA Today):
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ools/21388041/
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In fact there's only 1 red state in that top 10 (Wyoming)

WalletHub ranking as Minnesota #7 - and there's not a single blue state in the top 12:
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...-schools/5335/

USA Today's ranking has Minnesota #13 - but we'll let the red states have a little more fun here, with 3 red states ranked above Minnesota. That said, it's still dominated by blue states.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...ings/education

Will be entertaining reading the conservatives here try to explain all that away.

Minnesota: Where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average.
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Old 04-14-2018, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Rankings of the best state education systems are dominated by blue (and some purple) states at the top.

Minnesota is #10 in this ranking by Education Week (via USA Today):
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ools/21388041/
^
In fact there's only 1 red state in that top 10 (Wyoming)

WalletHub ranking as Minnesota #7 - and there's not a single blue state in the top 12:
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...-schools/5335/

USA Today's ranking has Minnesota #13 - but we'll let the red states have a little more fun here, with 3 red states ranked above Minnesota. That said, it's still dominated by blue states.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...ings/education

Will be entertaining reading the conservatives here try to explain all that away.

Minnesota: Where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average.
Since you choose to live in a red state and I choose to live in a blue state, what does that say about our intelligence?
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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I actually moved here from Seattle a few years ago.

It had nothing to do with politics, I like the weather here better.
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I actually moved here from Seattle a few years ago.

It had nothing to do with politics, I like the weather here better.
You moved to Kansas City for the weather
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Believe it or not, yes. Explained it at the following thread (since this is off-topic here):
Are "change of seasons" overrated?
Are "change of seasons" overrated?
Are "change of seasons" overrated?
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Believe it or not, yes. Explained it at the following thread (since this is off-topic here):
Are "change of seasons" overrated?
Are "change of seasons" overrated?
Are "change of seasons" overrated?
Why didn't you move to Minnesota since it is so wonderful?

BTW, I've lived in Minnesota and it's a great place but I hate the winter and at the point of sounding racist, I missed some of the demographic diversity that I was accustomed to.
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Why didn't you move to Minnesota since it is so wonderful?

BTW, I've lived in Minnesota and it's a great place but I hate the winter and at the point of sounding racist, I missed some of the demographic diversity that I was accustomed to.
Probably would have sounded better if you said you didn't like lutefisk or tatertot hotdish
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