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Old 04-12-2018, 06:28 AM
 
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First off, I'd prefer people not be made a felon or be incarcerated for a victimless crime. If one wants a college education, a bmw, a fancy home, or a vacation in the tropics,etc. they can pay for it on their own or secure financing like everyone else. One shouldnt recieve special privileges for beating up their wife or stealing anothers property.
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:30 AM
 
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You're opposed to an idea designed to reduce recidivism. You must enjoy paying the cost for people who cycle in and out of jail.
Your war on drugs and the other victimless crimes you support have been doing a slam bang job of keeping the cycle going.
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:31 AM
 
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Whoever thinks up these things is beyond crazy

Now NJ want's to pass a bill, so that prison inmates will be able to apply for and receive a college education while in Prison, all on taxpayer's money.

Who is going to hire a felon?
Without having read the proposal, I nevertheless will support it.


I have a friend that has been in prison for some 10 years, for crimes committed while he was in the throes of alcohol and drug addiction.


He has been taking courses, via the internet (they hardly allow felons to go out to a brick-and-mortar college), and has obtained a bachelors degree in addiction counseling. Of course, when he is eventually released, he will have the burden of being a felon and sexual offender to boot, as well as being well into his 60s (he is 63 now).


How much the State of Texas (or, taxpayers) contribute to this I do not know. He is seeking a Master's Degree in his field, and I recently sent him $1,000 to cover the costs.


In my work (Federal disability claims), I see a lot of felons that file for disability upon release (usually citing depression or such). Very often (probably 80 percent of the time) they will testify that they had a limited education, but obtained a G.E.D. while in prison. Of course, a G.E.D. is not worth much.


If obtaining a college education will reduce the recidivism rate, I am all for it. I suspect that only those, like my friend, that wish to change the course of their life will seek this education (I doubt M-13 gang members will do so).


It costs a lot of money to house inmates. If some of them get an education and get a job, upon release, I am all for it.


Obviously, whether they will actually get a job involves a lot of factors. My friend is pursuing a blossoming career path (addiction counseling). I have no doubt he will remain sober and focused (he had actually been an executive for IBM way back when, married, had a wonderful house and life, only to lose it all when he became addicted to drugs and alcohol). His story is just one of many, sadly.
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Your war on drugs and the other victimless crimes you support have been doing a slam bang job of keeping the cycle going.
Lol... A conservative is telling a liberal that the war on drugs is his fault...
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:32 AM
 
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Lol... A conservative is telling a liberal that the war on drugs is his fault...
lol @thinking I'm a conservative and yes you support it no matter what you call yourself.
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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It will be a leadership requirement to be a felon in the Dem. party soon. Right now they just represent non citizens but they are progressive.
It's coming "believe me".
it's always about quick fixes....they can't reason or even begin to problem solve, the root of this problem is, the fact that most of these people in prison came from bad homes...teach kids how to be good parents....but that takes too long, and no one has thought of it, so hey, give our money away to felons.
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Without having read the proposal, I nevertheless will support it.


I have a friend that has been in prison for some 10 years, for crimes committed while he was in the throes of alcohol and drug addiction.


He has been taking courses, via the internet (they hardly allow felons to go out to a brick-and-mortar college), and has obtained a bachelors degree in addiction counseling. Of course, when he is eventually released, he will have the burden of being a felon and sexual offender to boot, as well as being well into his 60s (he is 63 now).


How much the State of Texas (or, taxpayers) contribute to this I do not know. He is seeking a Master's Degree in his field, and I recently sent him $1,000 to cover the costs.


In my work (Federal disability claims), I see a lot of felons that file for disability upon release (usually citing depression or such). Very often (probably 80 percent of the time) they will testify that they had a limited education, but obtained a G.E.D. while in prison. Of course, a G.E.D. is not worth much.


If obtaining a college education will reduce the recidivism rate, I am all for it. I suspect that only those, like my friend, that wish to change the course of their life will seek this education (I doubt M-13 gang members will do so).


It costs a lot of money to house inmates. If some of them get an education and get a job, upon release, I am all for it.


Obviously, whether they will actually get a job involves a lot of factors. My friend is pursuing a blossoming career path (addiction counseling). I have no doubt he will remain sober and focused (he had actually been an executive for IBM way back when, married, had a wonderful house and life, only to lose it all when he became addicted to drugs and alcohol). His story is just one of many, sadly.
and what about our fine upstanding kids in school who want to go to college and can't afford it?
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:36 AM
 
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it's always about quick fixes....they can't reason or even begin to problem solve, the root of this problem is, the fact that most of these people in prison came from bad homes...teach kids how to be good parents....but that takes too long, and no one has thought of it, so hey, give our money away to felons.
Here's an intelligent fact:

The amount of people in jail is due to a broken system thy involves the foolish war on drugs.

Fact: there have always been broken homes.
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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lol @thinking I'm a conservative and yes you support it no matter what you call yourself.
The line used to be you're not a Republican. Now it's you're not a Conservative? Why don't you tell us again how Obama did more to criminalize drugs than any Republican president.
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Here's an intelligent fact:

The amount of people in jail is due to a broken system thy involves the foolish war on drugs.

Fact: there have always been broken homes.
hey, here's an idea, lets all go home and tell our kids, at the dinner table, when your a senior in high school, commit a crime, and you'll get your college paid for....

I'd much rather invest in the Good guy than a criminal....some I would believe will change, but the majority, not so much.
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