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Old 07-11-2018, 10:14 AM
 
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What gets me is that, unless you have a history, thyroid levels and hemoglobin (iron) are not part of a standard blood test. And if they do test thyroid, it is only tsh 3, should do tsh 4 too. Both of those can mimic dozens of other problems.
I went into the ER, they admitted me for possible heart attack, but tests were normal. Finally an old doctor tested my thyroid and found my level extremely low. Levothroxin and no more problems.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Ladies and gentlemen, now if you look to your left you'll see that we've entered crazy town. Please don't make eye contact..
What kind of uneducated comment is this? Good grief...get me a fly swatter.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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If you don't take the poison you are a "noncompliant" patient.
So, think for yourself...there are many MD's out there today who are not huge drug pushers. I've been seeing only integrative MD's for probably the last 20 yrs....PREVENTION first with healthy foods, exercise and supplements, YES, I've been working on prevention for about 25 yrs and I'm 80 soon and hardly any pharma drugs....minor ones for BP and thyroid.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:27 AM
 
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What gets me is that, unless you have a history, thyroid levels and hemoglobin (iron) are not part of a standard blood test. And if they do test thyroid, it is only tsh 3, should do tsh 4 too. Both of those can mimic dozens of other problems.
I went into the ER, they admitted me for possible heart attack, but tests were normal. Finally an old doctor tested my thyroid and found my level extremely low. Levothroxin and no more problems.
Whoa now....you mean they gave you something that actually fixed an actual health problem?
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:32 AM
 
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Whoa now....you mean they gave you something that actually fixed an actual health problem?
Only after years of not figuring out what was wrong.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:32 AM
 
Location: London
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OK, so now they don't suffer?

Are YOU for real?
Obviously they do.

But without necessary pain relief medications, it'll be worse. You think Advil will even touch the pain? It barely helps for a headache.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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What gets me is that, unless you have a history, thyroid levels and hemoglobin (iron) are not part of a standard blood test. And if they do test thyroid, it is only tsh 3, should do tsh 4 too. Both of those can mimic dozens of other problems.
I went into the ER, they admitted me for possible heart attack, but tests were normal. Finally an old doctor tested my thyroid and found my level extremely low. Levothroxin and no more problems.
I've got a 10 yr story on depression and was given and SOLD A/D drugs and was all due to sluggish thyroid. I could write my book on this mess...doctors, yes I saw probably 5 during that time and a psych doc and was given all those A/D drugs...it was thyroid.

I've done enough reading about the history of thyroid BEFORE the great LABS of modern medicine and the good old time docs supported their patients by symptoms...they were so much smarter than today's numbers game doctors.

The D.O. who finally helped me didn't even do a lab, just called in for the great long time thyroid medicine, Armour.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Obviously they do.

But without necessary pain relief medications, it'll be worse. You think Advil will even touch the pain? It barely helps for a headache.
I have not had a headache in over 20 yrs....read my miles of info on what I have been doing for my health and so much prevention. It's all in Alt Med....I work with a great food based antioxidant since 1995.

Sad, so many are so closed minded. Their loss is all I can say.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:42 AM
 
Location: London
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I have not had a headache in over 20 yrs....read my miles of info on what I have been doing for my health and so much prevention. It's all in Alt Med....I work with a great food based antioxidant since 1995.

Sad, so many are so closed minded. Their loss is all I can say.
I'm glad that is helping you for your headaches (and I'll happily give that a try too), but cancer is a whole different beast, especially late stage cancer.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:06 AM
 
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You're missing the point as well, it was only an example. What ever happened to Ex-Lax or Milk of Magnesia? Not only that, what would cancer patients have done before opiods even existed? Obviously, they are not the miracle that modern medicine would have us believe they are, we wouldn't be in the predicament we are in. The last thing we need is more drugs. THAT is the point.
What ever happened to PRUNES?
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