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Would giving Syria to the terrorists be ‘productive’?
Do you have any idea of what is going on in Syria. WE are the terrorists. WE armed them. Assad is the legitimate government of his country. He is killing terrorists and bringing back the peace that Obama ruined.
Do you have any idea of what is going on in Syria. WE are the terrorists. WE armed them. Assad is the legitimate government of his country. He is killing terrorists and bringing back the peace that Obama ruined.
Don’t worry, that was the point I was trying to make
What is left in Syria to bomb? Syria is already an obliterated and annihilated country with a war weary and defeated population. Assad is a brutal scum of a dictator and his patron, Putin, is no better.
Syrians are pawns like Spaniards were pawns in the 30s to greater powers.
I don't know if Trump was completely wrong in bombing the Chemical plants, but civilians will die.
Tomorrow Trump will declare success in Washington.
Tomorrow more Syrians will bury their dead.
There's still no evidence about what happened or who was responsible for the chem attacks. The one from a few years ago, AFAIK some reports out of the independent agencies say al Nussra probably did it. Our officers are saying we still don't know what happened with this one or the one last year. In fact I think the OCPW, whatever the org is, just got to Syria and are sorting things out, so there's no legal justification to do an attack on a foreign country, what Trump did is full on offensive style war. Assad is no nice guy but he's fighting a civil war with foreign powers like Saudi Arabia pushing proxy armies like ISIS who are extremely brutal, what is he supposed to do? Assad at least is secular and protects minorities there as well as majority Sunni pop. who aren't total fanatics. Many times better than ISIS or al Nusra. In that part of world tribal connections are still very strong, they aren't ready for democracy yet. For now, secular dictators are the best we can hope for.
How long before Assad goes away and the US puts its puppet in place who will close the port/ air base to Russia in exchange for $$$ to rebuild, partly funded by Saudi and UAE.
With Russia out of the way, Iran stands alone.
That's simply not going to happen, Russia has far too much invested in the place and has been there for something like 50 years. And apparently has been in the area since long before that. This is basic national security as far Russia's concerned, it's right in their part of the world and they can no leave. The US has no business there and nothing to gain from staying there, we're already in nasty debt as it is. The only reason these strikes haven't already started WW3 is no Russians got killed. If a direct attack on Russia or regime change attempts, Russia would be obligated to respond. This is not a smart policy, and that's saying the least.
Horrible move for Trump in this country. He sold a lot of his base downriver tonight.
No, he didn't.
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This is just an empty gesture. The annual requisite Syria bombing. Now we'll all go away for a year. I'm sure Assad is shaking in his boots.
And it is depressing--more bombs. More war. More waste of money on unproductive meaningless violence and destruction.
There won't be anything beyond this - unless we are provoked.
Interesting 11th Hour tonight - consensus among military is this 'strike' was surgically targeted to a very small facility manufacturing one or another chemical weapon, done to send a message; despite Bolton wanting more, Mattis very concerned about not escalating since Assad already has won the war so there was no point; that the Russians sat there and did not respond.
So, this sounds to me like symbolism only - a 'response' - but not really.
You guys would have a cow if Trump decided to not act.
He has the free civilised nations of the world on his, "our" side.
It's just sad you have to side with Syria and Russia here due to your hatred for our President that we voted into office.
Moderator cut: personal attack There isn't any proof of anything that happened, the agencies that looked at attack a few years ago now say Nusra probably did it, and we don't know what went on a few days ago, that's what OCPW went in there to investigate. It's about siding with anybody, it's about avoiding stupid wars and breaking basic laws by invading countries, where we have no business, won't gain anything and no strategic connection. Have you forgotten Iraq and all the disasters we suffered due to the lies of the WMD? Our national debt exploded because of that, just delaying inevitable until it catches up and causes a lot of grief.
Read the comments on the Breitbart article posted earlier in the thread. Many people think this was a false flag.
This is the most obvious explanation and probably true. No motivation to do it. And the OCPW is in there, starting to look, so far found nothing to indicate chem weapon attack. Some of the agencies looking at the one from few years ago said it was prob al Nusra, chlorine's easy to get.
There won't be anything beyond this - unless we are provoked.
Interesting 11th Hour tonight - consensus among military is this 'strike' was surgically targeted to a very small facility manufacturing one or another chemical weapon, done to send a message; despite Bolton wanting more, Mattis very concerned about not escalating since Assad already has won the war so there was no point; that the Russians sat there and did not respond.
So, this sounds to me like symbolism only - a 'response' - but not really.
This sort makes sense, even there who knows, didn't we say we were trying to hit some deadly weapon making facility in Afghanstan a few years ago? But hit hospital instead? They really should have waited for those OCPW guys to go in and confirm something was there, vs. like al Nusra or the other jihad fighters. The agencies looking at the one from few years ago, said that probably wasn't Assad, but al Nusra. This just seems to be done in too much of a haste.
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Symbolic only, at this point
