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Old 04-15-2018, 01:49 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Originally Posted by Rambler123 View Post
Classic right-wing fail logic on display. Since laws don't magically prevent all crimes, we shouldn't have any laws, right? I saw a guy run a red light this week - clearly, traffic laws don't work and everyone should have the "right" to drive like dangerous lunatics in whatever way they please! That is the EXACT same reasoning used by the "laws don't stop criminals from getting guns, so we shouldn't have gun laws" crowd.

It should be obvious at this point that laws and restrictions reduce crime... or is one going to pretend that the massively lower violent crime rates - gun crime in particular - in nearly every other civilized nation on the planet when compared to the US has NOTHING to do with their gun laws? Because if we're going to pretend that is the case, the only other conclusion is that Americans are all just violent lunatics, which is hardly an argument for fewer gun laws, either!

Get real.
Because you're conflating criminals with law abiding. Glad to see you admit your daft hypocrisy by trying to call others out.

Laws don't stop criminals buying guns. Correct.
But they'll prevent you and me from buying them. Also correct.

What a better time to forfeit firearms and the right to keep and bear them...
When you have impeding WW3 on the horizon, a man that 6 months ago was literally stalin, and before that literally hitler...

Can you explain your logic?
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:19 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Rambler123 View Post
Classic right-wing fail logic on display. Since laws don't magically prevent all crimes, we shouldn't have any laws, right? I saw a guy run a red light this week - clearly, traffic laws don't work and everyone should have the "right" to drive like dangerous lunatics in whatever way they please! That is the EXACT same reasoning used by the "laws don't stop criminals from getting guns, so we shouldn't have gun laws" crowd.

It should be obvious at this point that laws and restrictions reduce crime... or is one going to pretend that the massively lower violent crime rates - gun crime in particular - in nearly every other civilized nation on the planet when compared to the US has NOTHING to do with their gun laws? Because if we're going to pretend that is the case, the only other conclusion is that Americans are all just violent lunatics, which is hardly an argument for fewer gun laws, either!

Get real.
Let's get real, how is ammo background checks going to prevent crime?
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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if someone passes a background check to be able to purchase a firearm, then why go through a background check to buy ammunition for that firearm? that is not common sense that is stupidity.
Um...maybe because someone who has an illegal gun to begin with?
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Wrong.
Completely wrong.

Here ya go.
https://www.realclearinvestigations...._shooting.html

"We are not arresting our kids anymore."
"It is difficult to get into a college, join the military, get a job, start a career with an arrest record"

Know what else is difficult to get with an arrest record?
Firearms.
I’m not wrong. In the eyes of the law, he was a GGWaG. The arrest record is what matters. He wasn’t arrested, so it was no problem for him to get a gun. Even if someone was arrested, would they take his gun away? I’m thinking not. But if someone with a background who already had a gun couldn’t legally buy ammo, that could be helpful to those who would prefer not to be mowed down.
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Um...maybe because someone who has an illegal gun to begin with?
Right, or maybe someone who had the gun before the criminal background?
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:56 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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So we might look into someone if they are buying massive quantities of ammo as that would be a red flag.
So I just had 3,000 rounds delivered this week. The price was right. Should that be a cause for alarm for my neighbors or the local po-leece? What's massive to you?
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Originally Posted by NY_refugee87 View Post
Wrong.
Completely wrong.

Here ya go.
https://www.realclearinvestigations...._shooting.html

"We are not arresting our kids anymore."
"It is difficult to get into a college, join the military, get a job, start a career with an arrest record"

Know what else is difficult to get with an arrest record?
Firearms.
The policy applied only to not arresting kids for certain misdemeanors you can still buy guns with a misdemeanor conviction, it had nothing to do with felonies.
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Old 04-15-2018, 02:59 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Originally Posted by AnotherTouchOfWhimsy View Post
I’m not wrong. In the eyes of the law, he was a GGWaG. The arrest record is what matters. He wasn’t arrested, so it was no problem for him to get a gun. Even if someone was arrested, would they take his gun away? I’m thinking not. But if someone with a background who already had a gun couldn’t legally buy ammo, that could be helpful to those who would prefer not to be mowed down.
You are wrong.

He was protected. The crimes he committed were not reported. Nor was he ever charged with a crime. Try again.
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Old 04-15-2018, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Um...maybe because someone who has an illegal gun to begin with?
Um...maybe because they will just get the bullets where they got the gun?
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Old 04-15-2018, 03:01 PM
 
Location: PSL
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The policy applied only to not arresting kids for certain misdemeanors you can still buy guns with a misdemeanor conviction, it had nothing to do with felonies.
Another one that didn't read the article...
Take a nap sleepy. Then read the article.

Is aggravated assault a felony where you live? Because that is protected under the promise program...

https://www.realclearinvestigations...._shooting.html
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