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Old 04-16-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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Why have guards if this can happen?
To keep the ones that did not die out of your bedroom at 2 am.
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:06 PM
 
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To keep the ones that did not die out of your bedroom at 2 am.
That would be easily remedied by just keeping them all in individual cells, locked tight and only feeding them like zoo animals.

Pretty sure part of the guards' job is protecting the prisoners as well.
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:47 PM
 
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Because we expect the prison systems to hire the cream of the crop to prevent this from happening. Prison work - -what every ambitious young person dreams of.......
My relative is a corrections officer. Depending upon where you live in the country it's a decent paying job with benefits and not that dangerous. I'm of the school of thought that there is dignity in honest work and treat everyone respectfully even if they aren't on the Supreme court, dot-com billionare etc.etc. etc.

The big issue is that you have huge numbers of prisoners for every guard and if they want to go bonkers on each other then YOU CAN'T STOP THEM even if you staff the place with Westpoint graduates.
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:54 PM
 
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I suppose that would will save some taxpayer money

https://www.yahoo.com/news/state-pol...085315357.html
You should have quoted this excerpt, not the lede:

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The inmate who spoke to AP said that many cell door locks were already broken before the riot and that he and other prisoners roamed around freely at the prison in Bishopville, located 40 miles east of Columbia. Hours after the violence started, no correctional officers or medical personnel attended to the dead or dying, he said.

"The COs (corrections officers) never even attempted to render aid, nor quell the disturbance," he said. "They just sat in the control bubble, called the issue in, then sat on their collective asses."
The litigation that will come out of this will destroy whatever "savings" you might think there will be, several times fold.

The fact that people have that sort of attitude toward the "correctional" system is part of the reason why we have stories like this.
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:58 PM
 
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How was this allowed to happen?
Because prisons have become summer camps. Hood rats with too much time on their hands run the asylum.

Prison should be harsh, want to eat, work for it. Work them hard so they are too tired to worry about stabbing someone else.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:18 PM
 
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The litigation that will come out of this will destroy whatever "savings" you might think there will be, several times fold.
I was going to say the same thing. All these families of the 7 descended inmates are going to be getting millions in settlements (and the settlements form all the injured inmates) from their wrongful death lawsuits against the state, so in the end, it actually would have been "cheaper" paying for their room/broad/healthcare 24/7 during the length of their sentence, if they didn't die.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:26 PM
 
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I was going to say the same thing. All these families of the 7 descended inmates are going to be getting millions in settlements (and the settlements form all the injured inmates) from their wrongful death lawsuits against the state, so in the end, it actually would have been "cheaper" paying for their room/broad/healthcare 24/7 during the length of their sentence, if they didn't die.
Do you have any past history you can cite showing that they're going to collect millions?
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:33 PM
 
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Do you have any past history you can cite showing that they're going to collect millions?
Lucky guess? I know it's hard to put a price on what a human life is worth, even if that human life is in a prison, but it's got to be at least $1,000,000, don't you think?
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:48 PM
 
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Lucky guess? I know it's hard to put a price on what a human life is worth, even if that human life is in a prison, but it's got to be at least $1,000,000, don't you think?
Well there are 2 phases.
1) Determination of blame
2) Economic and possible (but not always punitive damages)

This isn't prison for *normal* prisoners and these types of altercations leading to death are often rival gangs killing each other.

Would have to be determined on a case by case basis.

Any of the deceased that took part in the fighting as these are typically gang fights, would fail to collect for obvious reasons.

Then you have lets say Pete the pedo-murderer serving life and they were just sitting in their cell and got stabbed to death then you have to still assign if the prison screwed up and if so, what is the loss of Pete worth to his family? Economically nothing...and I think you'll have a hard time finding a jury to give Pete's family $1million bucks for his loss.

Guys get shanked in the yard at prison, unless the guards are proven to be in on it etc. then it's not always automatically the fault of prison.
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:40 PM
 
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That would be easily remedied by just keeping them all in individual cells, locked tight and only feeding them like zoo animals.

Pretty sure part of the guards' job is protecting the prisoners as well.
but you see... the ACLU would never allow that.
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