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Old 04-19-2018, 05:57 PM
 
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how does one "rape" water?
You gotta take it out to dinner first..
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Old 04-19-2018, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The LA basin can only support the population it does because it rapes water from someplace else. The Hollywood set with their manicured green lawns doesn't like to be reminded.......
Los Angeles draws most of its water from the snowpack in the Sierra Nevada mountains which are located in California in an area with a low population density.

Minnesota has no indigenous sources of petroleum so it must import both crude oil and refined oil products for use by its residents...which it largely "rapes" from Canada and North Dakota.

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/petinfra.pdf
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Old 04-19-2018, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Los Angeles draws most of its water from the snowpack in the Sierra Nevada mountains which are located in California in an area with a low population density.

Minnesota has no indigenous sources of petroleum so it must import both crude oil and refined oil products for use by its residents...which it largely "rapes" from Canada and North Dakota.

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/petinfra.pdf
NOt sure where you get your water facts but I think you miss the point. Without the clear impact of Human interaction on the environment LA would not be able to sustain the population that it does. One of the centers of the MAN MADE climate change hue and cry live in a MAN MADE climate/environment.

This might help you understand where LA's water comes from.
36% owens valley, about 50% from the Colorado river the rest from the Sierras and what little ground water they can suck up....

P.S. You do know that Oil and gas production in California vs consumption results in California being an importer of gas right?


https://www.popsci.com/how-la-gets-its-water#page-2
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Old 04-19-2018, 06:34 PM
 
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What’s the obsession with California all of a sudden.
It's the best worst state in the u.s.

People hate to love it and love to hate it.
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Old 04-19-2018, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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So amusing that so many alt-right wing liberal haters (and of course "all" cities are liberal) are so so very concerned about the the liberals not working on pollution enough, while they are thrilled with Scott Pruitt and Trump rolling back as many regulations as possible to make our country as polluted as possible.

Cannot make this up.
Oh GMAFB. "To make our country as polluted as possible."

Consumers nowadays will overwhelmingly not support companies that deliberately pollute the earth. The exponential growth of natural/organic foods, cleaners, and beauty products proves this. People are more cognizant of what they eat and how their food is raised/grown.

Trump isn't gonna shut down Whole Foods. He isn't bringing back leaded gas. Cities aren't going to be dumping raw sewage in rivers.

Good grief.
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Old 04-19-2018, 06:45 PM
 
Location: The 719
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Bakersfield, Visalia-Portville-Hanford, Fresno-Madera, Redding-Red Bluff--all GOP strongholds.

Phoenix--GOP stronghold.

50% Republican
50% Democrat

Like usual, both parties screw thing up equally.
We Republicans are doing the screwing, Democrats are doing the Bishing, oh, and creating cartoons of polar bears following electric car owners home and giving them a hug.

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Oh GMAFB. "To make our country as polluted as possible."

Consumers nowadays will overwhelmingly not support companies that deliberately pollute the earth. The exponential growth of natural/organic foods, cleaners, and beauty products proves this. People are more cognizant of what they eat and how their food is raised/grown.

Trump isn't gonna shut down Whole Foods. He isn't bringing back leaded gas. Cities aren't going to be dumping raw sewage in rivers.

Good grief.
Oh my, we agree on something.

Now, speaking of Electric car owners, does Nancy Pelosi drive home from the Beltway to SnobHill every weekend in her Volt?

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And yet the whole point of rolling back regulations is to allow companies to pollute in a consequence-free manner. Consumers will absolutely support it, especially the right wing crowd. It was only a few years ago that right wingers celebrated earth day by enthusiastically supporting waste and pollution.
This is liberal politically spewed rubbish.

For example, the EPA acts like they cleaned all the rivers lakes, oceans, etc., giving no credit to the already existing water treatment industries put into place thousands of years ago and since.

The National Pollutant Discharge Elimination Systems for example, knows how not to turn the Animas River of Colorado, New Mexico and Utah Orangeish Gold.

The EPA, not so much.

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Lay off this right-wing/left-wing garbage. It's beyond cliché.

You are completely wrong about that. Go to a Whole Foods or its equivalent in the deepest red suburbs one of these weekend afternoons and you will see a packed store full of happy conservative Republican families filling their carts with organic foods. You will see Republican soccer moms feeding their toddlers organic baby food.

Some of the most health-conscious people I know are extremely conservative. Some of the biggest opposition to GMO foods comes from very conservative circles. Suburban soccer moms are extremely concerned about things like exhaust emissions and MPGs. Hunters are largely conservative and are some of the most environmentally conscious people you'll ever meet.

Sweeping generalizations based on political ideology are pointless and counter-productive.
Yeah, but there's a lot of dreadlock wearing hippie lookin granola chewin Subaru drivin smelly hairy armpitted freaks too.

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Old 04-19-2018, 06:48 PM
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Oh GMAFB. "To make our country as polluted as possible."

Consumers nowadays will overwhelmingly not support companies that deliberately pollute the earth. The exponential growth of natural/organic foods, cleaners, and beauty products proves this. People are more cognizant of what they eat and how their food is raised/grown.

Trump isn't gonna shut down Whole Foods. He isn't bringing back leaded gas. Cities aren't going to be dumping raw sewage in rivers.

Good grief.
And yet the whole point of rolling back regulations is to allow companies to pollute in a consequence-free manner. Consumers will absolutely support it, especially the right wing crowd. It was only a few years ago that right wingers celebrated earth day by enthusiastically supporting waste and pollution. Many other consumers won't even care enough to take note what's happening. The people who do care enough to actually act are a tiny minority who shops at places like Whole Foods.
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Old 04-19-2018, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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We Republicans are doing the screwing, Democrats are doing the Bishing, oh, and creating cartoons of polar bears following electric car owners home and giving them a hug.

Oh my, we agree on something.

Now, speaking of Electric car owners, does Nancy Pelosi drive home from the Beltway to SnobHill every weekend in her Volt?
Neocons and libertarians can agree every now and then.
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Old 04-19-2018, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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And yet the whole point of rolling back regulations is to allow companies to pollute in a consequence-free manner. Consumers will absolutely support it, especially the right wing crowd. It was only a few years ago that right wingers celebrated earth day by enthusiastically supporting waste and pollution. Many other consumers won't even care enough to take note what's happening. The people who do care enough to actually act are a tiny minority who shops at places like Whole Foods.
Lay off this right-wing/left-wing garbage. It's beyond cliché.

You are completely wrong about that. Go to a Whole Foods or its equivalent in the deepest red suburbs one of these weekend afternoons and you will see a packed store full of happy conservative Republican families filling their carts with organic foods. You will see Republican soccer moms feeding their toddlers organic baby food.

Some of the most health-conscious people I know are extremely conservative. Some of the biggest opposition to GMO foods comes from very conservative circles. Suburban soccer moms are extremely concerned about things like exhaust emissions and MPGs. Hunters are largely conservative and are some of the most environmentally conscious people you'll ever meet.

Sweeping generalizations based on political ideology are pointless and counter-productive.
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Old 04-19-2018, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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NOt sure where you get your water facts but I think you miss the point. Without the clear impact of Human interaction on the environment LA would not be able to sustain the population that it does. One of the centers of the MAN MADE climate change hue and cry live in a MAN MADE climate/environment.

This might help you understand where LA's water comes from.
36% owens valley, about 50% from the Colorado river the rest from the Sierras and what little ground water they can suck up....

P.S. You do know that Oil and gas production in California vs consumption results in California being an importer of gas right?


https://www.popsci.com/how-la-gets-its-water#page-2
"Large metropolitan areas give their inhabitants smaller carbon footprints," says energy policy expert Marilyn Brown of the Georgia Institute of Technology who authored a study on metropolitan areas in the U.S. and how much they contribute to climate change.

Large metropolitan areas offer greater energy and carbon efficiency than nonmetropolitan areas.

According to this Brookings study on the 100 largest metro areas in the USA, Los Angeles is ranked as one of the Lowest Emitting Metro Areas Based on Per Capita Carbon Emissions. LA ranked Third lowest out of 100. California alone was home to six of the twenty lowest per capita emitters.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content...int_report.pdf

A study of the 51 largest cities in the US and how they rank in energy efficiency ranked Los Angeles No. 4. Minneapolis is No. 11.

The City Energy Efficiency Scorecard | ACEEE
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