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Old 04-24-2018, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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I can see the endless continuum coming!

There's always going to be a 50th place with the lowest teacher pay, so then the lowest paid goes on strike, leaving a 50th place once again, then they go on strike, leaving a 50th place once again, and again, and again!

Sorry, I have little sympathy for teachers and their unions.

I work as a Nursing Assistant, make a lowly wage, and no union, and no union for the nurses I work for. And if we were to all walk off the jobs one day, how many might die as a result of it!
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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At this point its a one day walkout. If they can get what they want and not have to make it longer I have no issue with that.
The students are not going to be set back. The teachers and administrators are working together on this. Originally, the teachers planned to walk out and disrupt the state testing schedule. But, in my district they have rescheduled state testing around the walkout, so that it will get done. After state testing it is pretty much over in schools anyway. There is not a lot of new material covered in the last two weeks.
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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If these teachers were any good they'd be seeking to participate in a successful private educational endeavor, or in homeschooling; those who can't, or won't are just Left-leaning dead weight.



Which, given the NEA's goal of indoctrination rather than education, makes perfect sense
^ This. When I was an undergrad (business) some of the classes I had to take were full of want to be educators. Everyone I talked to went that route because of the ease to get a degree.
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I can see the endless continuum coming!

There's always going to be a 50th place with the lowest teacher pay, so then the lowest paid goes on strike, leaving a 50th place once again, then they go on strike, leaving a 50th place once again, and again, and again!

Sorry, I have little sympathy for teachers and their unions.

I work as a Nursing Assistant, make a lowly wage, and no union, and no union for the nurses I work for. And if we were to all walk off the jobs one day, how many might die as a result of it!
I'm going to have to disagree with you. We both work stressful needed jobs and I thank you as a nursing assistant, but the cycle is caused by a race to the bottom, especially with the recession. The recession ended years ago, yet funding is not there. No state should settle as the bottom or even in the bottom five. I realize five will, but the states should be fighting for it. Also Arizona isn't a union state, it is very much right to work and the Superintendant of Schools is threatening to remove teaching certification of teacher who "strike". Currently, I make 11.39 as a support staff, exactly $0.89 over minimum wage in often over-worked due to under-staffing in a super stressful (both physically and mentally) situation. In neighboring states I could move and make at least $7.00 more just by signing on in my position. I cannot move due to my parents otherwise I would.

Teachers are over-worked like we are. They have to work with 30 students in a room made for 25 when they should have a classload of say 22. Paraprofessionals like myself are supposed to work with at least one other in many settings (some specifics ask for three or more) and often I was the only single para with the special education teacher this year. I cannot tell you how physically and mentally stressful this is.
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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If these teachers were any good they'd be seeking to participate in a successful private educational endeavor, or in homeschooling; those who can't, or won't are just Left-leaning dead weight.
Goodness me its almost like making money isn't the primary reason many pursue teaching! Teachers should be fairly compensated they are college educated professionals charged with educating the youth it is a very important job.
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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lmao...Yeah walking out and leaving the students uneducated is really looking out for them
Haha yea teachers should just accept lower wages and not ask any questions.
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:49 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I'm going to have to disagree with you. We both work stressful needed jobs and I thank you as a nursing assistant, but the cycle is caused by a race to the bottom, especially with the recession. The recession ended years ago, yet funding is not there. No state should settle as the bottom or even in the bottom five. I realize five will, but the states should be fighting for it. Also Arizona isn't a union state, it is very much right to work and the Superintendant of Schools is threatening to remove teaching certification of teacher who "strike". Currently, I make 11.39 as a support staff, exactly $0.89 over minimum wage in often over-worked due to under-staffing in a super stressful (both physically and mentally) situation. In neighboring states I could move and make at least $7.00 more just by signing on in my position. I cannot move due to my parents otherwise I would.

Teachers are over-worked like we are. They have to work with 30 students in a room made for 25 when they should have a classload of say 22. Paraprofessionals like myself are supposed to work with at least one other in many settings (some specifics ask for three or more) and often I was the only single para with the special education teacher this year. I cannot tell you how physically and mentally stressful this is.
Are you flooded with ESL kids like we are here in S Cal? If so I feel for you. I volunteer at local schools and the teachers are simply worn out trying to get the bottom third or so of kids up to speed in each class.
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:51 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I can see the endless continuum coming!

There's always going to be a 50th place with the lowest teacher pay, so then the lowest paid goes on strike, leaving a 50th place once again, then they go on strike, leaving a 50th place once again, and again, and again!

Sorry, I have little sympathy for teachers and their unions.
The biggest points against them are the fact that:

1) Comparatively, U.S. teachers are overpaid.

2) U.S. students rank very low compared to their international peers

https://marketbrief.edweek.org/wp-co...auto-91633.jpg

It's hard to justify paying teachers even more money given the actual facts.
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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The biggest points against them are the fact that:

1) Comparatively, U.S. teachers are overpaid.

2) U.S. students rank very low compared to their international peers

https://marketbrief.edweek.org/wp-co...auto-91633.jpg

It's hard to justify paying teachers even more money given the actual facts.
Teachers are underpaid considering the education they have and the amount of work they do. US students in top districts and neighborhoods are on par with all our foreign competitors. The averages are brought down by the vast underclass in the US that miserly taxpayers refuse to help.
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:55 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Teachers are underpaid considering the education they have and the amount of work they do.
False. They're overpaid compared to their OECD peers. PLUS, the results of their "teaching" are abysmal.

When even EdWeek reports that, we know we have a problem with not getting our money's worth from public education.
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